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Meteor post_id=76559 time= user_id=1780 Wrote:I'm finding them a bit too "clever", quite honestly. I understand the cutout effect from reading here, but it's too small and too brief in all, and too subtle in many. Visually they're busy and complex.

They are also, so far, extremely urban and middle-class. They don't speak to me at all. They don't even say "Britain", which Oneness at least did, in spades. There's no geography, which even Circles had.

Not a fan
Idents can't be middle class or lower class, they're just pictures of normal life events anyway.
Many of the things and places in the idents are enjoyed by all classes
Brekkie post_id=76557 time= user_id=976 Wrote:The clamshell looked ace though and LN returning to the 1999 concept was pretty lazy and tired.

I always thought the clamshell looked rather bizarre, and the early versions of the titles looked particularly cheap.
Meteor post_id=76559 time= user_id=1780 Wrote:I'm finding them a bit too "clever", quite honestly. I understand the cutout effect from reading here, but it's too small and too brief in all, and too subtle in many. Visually they're busy and complex.

They are also, so far, extremely urban and middle-class. They don't speak to me at all. They don't even say "Britain", which Oneness at least did, in spades. There's no geography, which even Circles had.

Not a fan

Nah, these definitely scream Britain to me. The farm ident. That's urban? Plus, there are more idents coming. Secondly, the busyness always stops with the "lens" closing and merging seamlessly into the background. Also, you'll get used to it, after years of the last design. I mean, after many people jeered at the uninteresting Oneness concept, some jeer at this for its more interesting concept. It's just weird.
I think some people are annoyingly disgusted by idents having people in them.

Just because they have SOME people inside of them, it doesn't mean = ONENESS people!

The concept is much more developed than Oneness anyway

I think people would be a bit more "subtle", at least on this forum
Spencer post_id=76565 time= user_id=891 Wrote:
Brekkie post_id=76557 time= user_id=976 Wrote:The clamshell looked ace though and LN returning to the 1999 concept was pretty lazy and tired.
I always thought the clamshell looked rather bizarre, and the early versions of the titles looked particularly cheap.

Yes. I loved the BBC News's current look when it came out in 2008, and the clamshell looked weird. I always thought the pulsating rings and globes inside globes things were unique as heck.
Is it me or do these idents feel very BBC4ish, for both the imagery and the soundtracks?

It's certainly better than the Oneness lot we have been subjected to over the years. Completely dull as dishwater and I'm rather glad to see the back of them.

I do love the night one on the hill and festival/farmer's field ones, they seem to carry the concept quite well. Like someone said upthead, once you have seen the set of variations it might hang together better.
Brekkie post_id=76556 time= user_id=976 Wrote:
Transmission post_id=76533 time= user_id=1522 Wrote:
imaginativename post_id=76527 time= user_id=2335 Wrote:For me, all this is enough. Beautiful, smart but not in-your-face. Entirely appropriate for BBC ONE.

Indeed - I've seen a few comments wishing they were more like the BBC HD idents, which were fun and perfect for the kind of channel it was at the time where each programme would feel like an event, but I feel something like that would be a bit too "in-your-face" for BBC One.
I think a bit "in-your-face" is exactly what BBC1 actually needed. However we'd probably tire of them quicker. These may not be that impressive on launch but being so inoffensive and insignificant means they won't really age.

BBC HD was a more advanced channel for it's time, that's why it had more advanced and in-your-face idents. BBC One is more restrained, cause why do we like the globe? it's clean, not-brash, and calm. Like our current idents. That's why I don't like the One/HD comparison so much. One serves its purpose, and one is just something we could easily resonate with.
I'm pretty hesitant to even comment on the new idents. In recent months I have noticed a real negativity on the forum towards pretty much everything – from TV shows, to presentation, to Red Nose Day, to everything else. I don't just mean people not enjoying things – it's the way stuff is phrased too. It's seems to just be out and out dismissive, reductive and really very armchair critic.

Reading this thread gives me an impression that this new set of idents is almost universally disliked, but the poll at the top indicates otherwise. This suggests to me that perhaps it's just a vocal minority. Some people have the tendency to make their negative point over and over in much the same way, not just here but across the forum.

I have to say, I really like this set of idents. It's a great concept, and as others have noted, reminiscent of the brilliant BBC HD idents. Yet the HD idents were a bit more bombastic, and I wonder whether seeing the lion/cat ident, for instance, several times a week for, say, four years would become quite grating. I also think that the whole purpose of this set is to reflect every day, quiet, day-in day-out activities. I get why others might disagree with that creative choice, but I think it's a bit unfair to somehow see it as a lack of confidence or laziness as has been implied. To me, it's a bit like criticising Turner for painting a quiet, reflective Margate scene and failing to capture the party going on on the beach. You wouldn't describe him as missing an opportunity, I think you'd just accept that he has a slightly different objective.

I find I really connect with these films. They beautifully reflect that cycle of life, and how we can all find joy, function or common ground within particular locations, even if we never meet each other. My local community centre that I use for pre-natal classes is also used by dancers later in the week. I'll never meet them, but it's nice to think that we're all just as welcome. I totally respect that others don't click with them like that, though I wish the tone of voice was a little kinder.

I do agree that even more locations would be nice, but it's worth remembering the huge cost of each new setting. It's true that trailers get money thrown at them, but there's a clear KPI there – hopefully more viewers for that particular show. With idents, it's hard to argue for 8 films rather than 6. So variants of each location is a nice 'win'.

Thoughts on what we can objectively conclude about the idents:
  • There is a solid concept here – same location, different activites/events
  • High production values – a well-crafted soundtrack, good camera work, good selection of locations
  • Clear effort – there is a significant 'set up' for each ident: filming each at different times of days, getting lots of extras/actors involved, heavy use of advanced camera rigs
  • More than the 'bare minimum' – each location has yielded multiple variants

I do wish that they could have launched back in October, as it would have made a nice impact being changed with the other presentation. But, complicated organisations have complicated politics. I do look at ITV and think 'they'd have never done it like this' – but they're also a company with many fewer outlets and the commercial factor comes first almost always. The BBC have to be much more careful, and we don't know the other factors involved in playing things.

There's also part of me that would like to see the circular device on screen for longer, to emphasise it. Yet undoubtedly they tried doing that, and decided against it. I actually think the gradual shift to a normal scene is really beautiful, and if it happened later in the ident it might get missed quite often. Sometimes minimal and subtle is best.

I do so often laugh at the hypocritical 'forum logic' (not that it's a homogenous view) – people reject 'marketing guff' (actually, narrative rationalisation is really important) and say 'why can't we just have something that looks nice'. When we have something that looks nice (in my view), we hear 'but what does it mean'?

Ultimately I conclude that they can never win, there will always be critics. And indeed there should be. But I find the joy of reading these threads has almost gone for me in recent years, because the ability to explain your view, ponder the decision-making process and come to a considered view – rather than post a simplistic one-liner – has became far from the norm.
Kunst post_id=76568 time= user_id=1292 Wrote:I think some people are annoyingly disgusted by idents having people in them.

Just because they have SOME people inside of them, it doesn't mean = ONENESS people!

The concept is much more developed than Oneness anyway

I think people would be a bit more "subtle", at least on this forum
Yeah and they must not forget that the lifestyle version of the balloon idents like carnival, market, skateboarders and bungee had people in it.
Spencer post_id=76538 time= user_id=891 Wrote:
valley post_id=76535 time= user_id=971 Wrote:
ConorM98 post_id=76521 time= user_id=983 Wrote:As for the camerawork, Scout Productions did that.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb1nLlFKhSO/...hare_sheet
Scout are just a locations company, the camera system was a MRMC Titan motion arm I believe.
https://www.mrmoco.com/motion-control/titan/

Interesting. I’d wondered how they’d matched the movement exactly between the different shots. The link you posted doesn’t seem to be working, but I’m presuming the motion arm is computer controlled so the movement can be replicated exactly every time.
Seems to be working now - it's not a great website I have to say.

And yes, exactly that. Create the move once, move to a new location and set the start and end points, and it will replay the move you created initially.
Hopefully the creators of the best ident since 2006 Circles era (Mansvsmachines, Rousane, and BBC Creative) can showing anyone about when these idents are filmed, how long processes to making these idents, and even showing the "Lens" idents logoless.
AxiosBrit67 post_id=76580 time= user_id=1688 Wrote:Hopefully the creators of the best ident since 2006 Circles era (Mansvsmachines, Rousane, and BBC Creative) can showing anyone about when these idents are filmed, how long processes to making these idents, and even showing the "Lens" idents logoless.

Yes, you've said this, several times, in several different threads. Please stop repeating yourself.
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