(23-04-2022, 12:11 AM)Ash101 Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if they’d leave it on the bubble for next year and see how a Pop Idol series does before making up a definite idea. But I do think it’s a shame they moved the Kids version away from the summer as it seemed to be a fairly decent ratings banker for August.
And cutting it to just three episodes is not much better than axing it really. I think rather than 2x90 and 1x120 it might have worked better as 5x60 across the full week - same amount of airtime but I think 2 audition shows, a battle show, semi final and final may have been a better structure.
I guess autumn will be Catchphrase, Ninja Warrior and The Voice, with the latter probably being around 8.30 so avoiding Strictly most weeks and I think is just 8 shows so will probably air Sept/Oct, giving way to a slightly earlier I'm a Celeb ahead of the World Cup. Any news on the likely one series wonders ITV will be churning out this summer?
The problem with bringing back either The X Factor or Pop Idol is that it would be unfair to airbrush Steve Brookstein and Michelle McManus out of the picture and I imagine that's what would happen if a big deal was made about it being 20 years since ... started. In the case of TXF, it only ended four years ago and the inability of recent winners to achieve anything in the industry is still fresh in the minds of viewers.
Out of all the ITV singing shows, Starstruck for all the accusations of it being so cheap and dated has the most going for it as everyone gets what they want out of the show and contestants can still make a career out of it even if they don't win, if they're good enough.
(23-04-2022, 10:11 AM)tellyblues Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with bringing back either The X Factor or Pop Idol is that it would be unfair to airbrush Steve Brookstein and Michelle McManus out of the picture and I imagine that's what would happen if a big deal was made about it being 20 years since ... started. In the case of TXF, it only ended four years ago and the inability of recent winners to achieve anything in the industry is still fresh in the minds of viewers.
Out of all the ITV singing shows, Starstruck for all the accusations of it being so cheap and dated has the most going for it as everyone gets what they want out of the show and contestants can still make a career out of it even if they don't win, if they're good enough.
I don’t understand this argument that every singing show needs to give people a career in the music industry. It was different with X Factor back then because this was the whole premise. But things have moved on and I don’t think 99% of viewers are bothered outside of this echo chamber. It’s a TV show and they just want to enjoy the singing. That’s why Starstruck has been successful IMO.
(23-04-2022, 10:11 AM)tellyblues Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with bringing back either The X Factor or Pop Idol is that it would be unfair to airbrush Steve Brookstein and Michelle McManus out of the picture and I imagine that's what would happen if a big deal was made about it being 20 years since ... started. In the case of TXF, it only ended four years ago and the inability of recent winners to achieve anything in the industry is still fresh in the minds of viewers.
People are airbrushed out of TV history all of the time. It really isn't an issue. Any revival would benefit from concentrating on the here and now rather than past glories (and failures) anyway.
(23-04-2022, 10:23 AM)natashajacobs Wrote: [ -> ] (23-04-2022, 10:11 AM)tellyblues Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with bringing back either The X Factor or Pop Idol is that it would be unfair to airbrush Steve Brookstein and Michelle McManus out of the picture and I imagine that's what would happen if a big deal was made about it being 20 years since ... started. In the case of TXF, it only ended four years ago and the inability of recent winners to achieve anything in the industry is still fresh in the minds of viewers.
Out of all the ITV singing shows, Starstruck for all the accusations of it being so cheap and dated has the most going for it as everyone gets what they want out of the show and contestants can still make a career out of it even if they don't win, if they're good enough.
I don’t understand this argument that every singing show needs to give people a career in the music industry. It was different with X Factor back then because this was the whole premise. But things have moved on and I don’t think 99% of viewers are bothered outside of this echo chamber. It’s a TV show and they just want to enjoy the singing. That’s why Starstruck has been successful IMO.
I agree it has helped to make Starstruck a success but fun is a huge factor and the prize money is a bonus. However, the other shows which may equally be just entertainment for viewers are important for the people who go on them thinking they can make a career out of music. You can't really blame them when a recording contract is on offer and people like Leona Lewis did it before. Unless a contract isn't the point then contestants are set up to fail and when that trend continues viewers lose interest, which has happened.
Singing shows don't have to give people a career but in this day and age it will be a consideration and also since the majority of contestants sourced for the first series of Starstruck were people who wanted that then it is clear it is a selling point at least.
(23-04-2022, 11:17 AM)Brekkie Wrote: [ -> ] (23-04-2022, 10:11 AM)tellyblues Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with bringing back either The X Factor or Pop Idol is that it would be unfair to airbrush Steve Brookstein and Michelle McManus out of the picture and I imagine that's what would happen if a big deal was made about it being 20 years since ... started. In the case of TXF, it only ended four years ago and the inability of recent winners to achieve anything in the industry is still fresh in the minds of viewers.
People are airbrushed out of TV history all of the time. It really isn't an issue. Any revival would benefit from concentrating on the here and now rather than past glories (and failures) anyway.
The first ever winner of TXF can't be ignored if the reason for bringing a show back is to celebrate an anniversary. The here and now is that a recording contract is worthless and you can't stop people remembering previous contestants or even that the show went into decline in the first place so I don't see how a revival could work.
The Voice has probably the worst track record for making “stars” out of any the singing talent shows we’ve had in this country.
I get it may not be the point, but there’s not really a gimmick like there is on Starstruck. So the people audition for The Voice must want to be a recording artist?
(23-04-2022, 12:44 PM)tellyblues Wrote: [ -> ] (23-04-2022, 10:23 AM)natashajacobs Wrote: [ -> ] (23-04-2022, 10:11 AM)tellyblues Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with bringing back either The X Factor or Pop Idol is that it would be unfair to airbrush Steve Brookstein and Michelle McManus out of the picture and I imagine that's what would happen if a big deal was made about it being 20 years since ... started. In the case of TXF, it only ended four years ago and the inability of recent winners to achieve anything in the industry is still fresh in the minds of viewers.
Out of all the ITV singing shows, Starstruck for all the accusations of it being so cheap and dated has the most going for it as everyone gets what they want out of the show and contestants can still make a career out of it even if they don't win, if they're good enough.
I don’t understand this argument that every singing show needs to give people a career in the music industry. It was different with X Factor back then because this was the whole premise. But things have moved on and I don’t think 99% of viewers are bothered outside of this echo chamber. It’s a TV show and they just want to enjoy the singing. That’s why Starstruck has been successful IMO.
I agree it has helped to make Starstruck a success but fun is a huge factor and the prize money is a bonus. However, the other shows which may equally be just entertainment for viewers are important for the people who go on them thinking they can make a career out of music. You can't really blame them when a recording contract is on offer and people like Leona Lewis did it before. Unless a contract isn't the point then contestants are set up to fail and when that trend continues viewers lose interest, which has happened.
Singing shows don't have to give people a career but in this day and age it will be a consideration and also since the majority of contestants sourced for the first series of Starstruck were people who wanted that then it is clear it is a selling point at least.
(23-04-2022, 11:17 AM)Brekkie Wrote: [ -> ] (23-04-2022, 10:11 AM)tellyblues Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with bringing back either The X Factor or Pop Idol is that it would be unfair to airbrush Steve Brookstein and Michelle McManus out of the picture and I imagine that's what would happen if a big deal was made about it being 20 years since ... started. In the case of TXF, it only ended four years ago and the inability of recent winners to achieve anything in the industry is still fresh in the minds of viewers.
People are airbrushed out of TV history all of the time. It really isn't an issue. Any revival would benefit from concentrating on the here and now rather than past glories (and failures) anyway.
The first ever winner of TXF can't be ignored if the reason for bringing a show back is to celebrate an anniversary. The here and now is that a recording contract is worthless and you can't stop people remembering previous contestants or even that the show went into decline in the first place so I don't see how a revival could work.
It’s a TV show though. Yes they might want a career in music, but nothing’s guaranteed. It’s up to the public ultimately if they want to give them a career or not. Clearly they have had enough of talent show winners. And the people who go on them aren’t stupid, they know this.
Personally id like to see Pop Idol return rather than The X Factor. As much as I preferred The X Factor during its first 5 or 6 years I just couldn't take it seriously in later series.
(23-04-2022, 01:13 PM)Ash101 Wrote: [ -> ]The Voice has probably the worst track record for making “stars” out of any the singing talent shows we’ve had in this country.
I get it may not be the point, but there’s not really a gimmick like there is on Starstruck. So the people audition for The Voice must want to be a recording artist?
Either that or they're lying about how important music is to them so they can get on TV.
(23-04-2022, 03:37 PM)natashajacobs Wrote: [ -> ]It’s a TV show though. Yes they might want a career in music, but nothing’s guaranteed. It’s up to the public ultimately if they want to give them a career or not. Clearly they have had enough of talent show winners. And the people who go on them aren’t stupid, they know this.
I don't think viewers decided they had enough of talent show winners, more the material after they won wasn't up to scratch and the charts become more difficult to manipulate as time went on so the effect of buying records reduced. Sales in the early to mid 2000s were abysmal and talent shows took advantage of this.
Contestants aren't stupid but it's probably the case that they have tried other methods to get into the music industry and failed.
(23-04-2022, 07:13 PM)tellyblues Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think viewers decided they had enough of talent show winners, more the material after they won wasn't up to scratch and the charts become more difficult to manipulate as time went on so the effect of buying records reduced. Sales in the early to mid 2000s were abysmal and talent shows took advantage of this.
Contestants aren't stupid but it's probably the case that they have tried other methods to get into the music industry and failed.
Not sure what your point is though. TV doesn’t exist to create entry into the music industry. It exists to entertain people on Sat night and make money for advertisers. Before Leona Lewis there arguably weren’t any breakout stars on X Factor, people still watched it. And after Little Mix, people still watched it. Fewer people though, so clearly there was less appetite for the manufacturing of success they did. Arguably it’s easier now than ever before to break into the music industry with TikTok and streaming and the like, you don’t need a label anymore to go viral and launch a career. Plenty of people from humble beginnings still get to make a success of themselves. Things have changed so TV has to move on too.
In the world of baking viewers seem happy enough to just have someone win the competition without having some gluten contract automatically lined up too.
Yes, nobody pays much attention to if their cookbook topped the charts. I think The X Factor still has by far the biggest hit rate of any talent show anyway, even if the latter years were thin on the ground, and crucially still has people in the charts today who broke through thanks to the show including the likes of Ella Henderson and the One Direction boys along with Little Mix. In many ways the longevity of some of the earlier artists is more impressive than them continuing to find success with some of their later acts.
(23-04-2022, 08:23 PM)natashajacobs Wrote: [ -> ] (23-04-2022, 07:13 PM)tellyblues Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think viewers decided they had enough of talent show winners, more the material after they won wasn't up to scratch and the charts become more difficult to manipulate as time went on so the effect of buying records reduced. Sales in the early to mid 2000s were abysmal and talent shows took advantage of this.
Contestants aren't stupid but it's probably the case that they have tried other methods to get into the music industry and failed.
Not sure what your point is though. TV doesn’t exist to create entry into the music industry. It exists to entertain people on Sat night and make money for advertisers. Before Leona Lewis there arguably weren’t any breakout stars on X Factor, people still watched it. And after Little Mix, people still watched it. Fewer people though, so clearly there was less appetite for the manufacturing of success they did. Arguably it’s easier now than ever before to break into the music industry with TikTok and streaming and the like, you don’t need a label anymore to go viral and launch a career. Plenty of people from humble beginnings still get to make a success of themselves. Things have changed so TV has to move on too.
The Voice offers a recording contract to the winner, which gives the show an element of prestige. It's aimed at people who are serious about making a career out of music to want to apply. Yes, the show makes money for ITV and whoever else but without contestants taking it seriously there wouldn't be a show. Starstruck has a serious side too - people don't muck about and wouldn't be allowed on if they didn't at least sound like the person.
Successful contestants are part of a show's brand and people aspire to be like them. If it wasn't for the early chart success, TXF wouldn't have lasted long. It could be argued that The Voice manages to limp on because it hasn't ever created a viable artist for viewers to compare newer contestants to and as such there is no expectation that comes with the show. Still doesn't mean that it's not about making a better life for yourself because for most contestants that is what it's about.
For what it's worth, each talent show is different so what people expect from one won't be the same for another.
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