Schwing post_id=29997 time= user_id=1762 Wrote:It’s not a “fun debate”. It’s important. We live in era of “fake news” and some people herein cannot be bothered to think before they post or do a little bit of research. I can’t quite believe I’m saying this but Google it. Search for “BBC” and search for “difference between corporation and company”. Search for “UK company law”.
I don't doubt that it is important, I am just not sure whether the right place to discuss it is in the New BBC Logo thread. Referring to it as a fun debate, for which I was clearly being somewhat facetious, was merely a light-hearted attempt to move the thread back towards the topic after over a page worth of posts discussing the finer points of British corporate law.
Rob post_id=29974 time= user_id=2 Wrote:chris post_id=29973 time= user_id=1265 Wrote:The idea you couldn't have the blocks animate and they mustn’t be distorted was broken the day of launch when they were incorporated into North West Tonight’s existing titles.
I'd argue that Top of the Pops broke that rule before North West Tonight did...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQqIFjzvFZQ
Huh? North West Tonight’s well predates that?
https://youtu.be/FoJLHNaqnF0
DTV post_id=29999 time= user_id=1056 Wrote:Schwing post_id=29997 time= user_id=1762 Wrote:It’s not a “fun debate”. It’s important. We live in era of “fake news” and some people herein cannot be bothered to think before they post or do a little bit of research. I can’t quite believe I’m saying this but Google it. Search for “BBC” and search for “difference between corporation and company”. Search for “UK company law”.
I don't doubt that it is important, I am just not sure whether the right place to discuss it is in the New BBC Logo thread. Referring to it as a fun debate, for which I was clearly being somewhat facetious, was merely a light-hearted attempt to move the thread back towards the topic after over a page worth of posts discussing the finer points of British corporate law.
For someone who want discuss the corporate law, Metropol is the right place.
chris post_id=30000 time= user_id=1265 Wrote:Rob post_id=29974 time= user_id=2 Wrote:chris post_id=29973 time= user_id=1265 Wrote:The idea you couldn't have the blocks animate and they mustn’t be distorted was broken the day of launch when they were incorporated into North West Tonight’s existing titles.
I'd argue that Top of the Pops broke that rule before North West Tonight did...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQqIFjzvFZQ
Huh? North West Tonight’s well predates that?
https://youtu.be/FoJLHNaqnF0
My mistake. I thought you were referring to these titles...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPpp5EMVsk
AxiosBrit67 post_id=30002 time= user_id=1688 Wrote:For someone who want discuss the corporate law, Metropol will be the right place.
Quite. This is a television forum, let's get back to the topic at hand please.
I now wish that I'd never included within my post an aside about what a forcibly-commercialised BBC's legal company name might be, given all of the off-topic stuff that has ensued.
And also that it seemingly rendered the other 90% of what I wrote in that post as a total sodding waste of my keystrokes, as unnoticed as many a niche digital channel's entire short lifespan. Harrumph.
I'm still not a fan of the smaller, bolder letters in the revised blocks. Whether I'll eventually warm to them remains to be seen.
Both the 90s and 2008 North West Tonight aren't a great advert for the introduction of generic identies, although I guess 2008 shows that doing something within the framework of a generic look can work very well.
Back to the teaser clip and having played it on the main TV now I think the opening BBC Two full screen logo would work fine as an occassional bumper, but they really need to rethink how they incorporate the logo into the idents. The bigger the screen the worse it looks - and the same goes for the BBC News DOG, but I think the logo reveal part works really well, but they need to animate back to the BBC News logo from the icon at the end as well IMO.
chris post_id=30000 time= user_id=1265 Wrote:Huh? North West Tonight’s well predates that?
https://youtu.be/FoJLHNaqnF0
Side note about that clip... "We've lost count of the number of times people have asked us 'who is she?' and 'which school does she go to?'... How utterly creepy. :?
The whole clip is like a weird parody.
No way. The 1991 one looks like it belongs on a show about classical music, not pop. And the previous one screams 1980s.
Brekkie post_id=29985 time=1626974588 user_id=976 Wrote:Possibly the nicest bit of design BBC News has had this century.
https://youtu.be/UlYJVHrmQrw
That's lovely.
The second one would be perfect for BBC News.
JAS84 post_id=30206 time= user_id=881 Wrote:And the previous one screams 1980s.
Well, not to my perspective, but I respect your opinion.
Brekkie post_id=29985 time= user_id=976 Wrote:AaronLancs post_id=29956 time= user_id=846 Wrote:The funny thing is mate. The closest thing to breaking the "1997 cardinal rule" of you must not touch the blocks was when BBC Arabic used it for their 2008 launch presentation. When they turned them into tiles and had then play all over the shop..
Possibly the nicest bit of design BBC News has had this century.
https://youtu.be/UlYJVHrmQrw
How this was never rolled out across News is beyond me - it still looks really elegant. I love the simplicity of the endcap for the News titles.
Moving back to the new logo - I've become a fan, actually. I think when you see it on paper, it definitely looks like a downgrade from what we have currently, most likely just because we're so used to it. But when animating, this new logo comes alive - I love the way it bounces around. It's definitely more 'accessible' for younger audiences, and does away with the old-fashioned view of the BBC being stuffy and boring.
The icons are exciting too. I also did the survey and found myself being surprised at how radical this is going to be, if it does indeed roll out. I like the iPlayer, Sounds and Weather icon, as well as the Bitesize one. They all seem fairly understandable. News and Sport is a little harder to grasp as they just don't scream 'NEWS' or 'SPORT'. However, there's help with the colour coding system (red = news, yellow = sport, pink = iPlayer, etc) which I think will help. And I imagine the icon will always be seen ALONGSIDE the BBC logo?
Very exciting!
JayTV post_id=30265 time= user_id=1273 Wrote:Brekkie post_id=29985 time= user_id=976 Wrote:AaronLancs post_id=29956 time= user_id=846 Wrote:The funny thing is mate. The closest thing to breaking the "1997 cardinal rule" of you must not touch the blocks was when BBC Arabic used it for their 2008 launch presentation. When they turned them into tiles and had then play all over the shop..
Possibly the nicest bit of design BBC News has had this century.
https://youtu.be/UlYJVHrmQrw
How this was never rolled out across News is beyond me - it still looks really elegant. I love the simplicity of the endcap for the News titles.
Moving back to the new logo - I've become a fan, actually. I think when you see it on paper, it definitely looks like a downgrade from what we have currently, most likely just because we're so used to it. But when animating, this new logo comes alive - I love the way it bounces around. It's definitely more 'accessible' for younger audiences, and does away with the old-fashioned view of the BBC being stuffy and boring.
The icons are exciting too. I also did the survey and found myself being surprised at how radical this is going to be, if it does indeed roll out. I like the iPlayer, Sounds and Weather icon, as well as the Bitesize one. They all seem fairly understandable. News and Sport is a little harder to grasp as they just don't scream 'NEWS' or 'SPORT'. However, there's help with the colour coding system (red = news, yellow = sport, pink = iPlayer, etc) which I think will help. And I imagine the icon will always be seen ALONGSIDE the BBC logo?
Very exciting!
I don't understand, how can a bouncing logo become more accessible for younger audiences? I am a young person and the BBC has always been accessible to me. Also in what way the BBC is stuffy and boring?