James Martin post_id=5075 time=1618026667 user_id=872 Wrote:richard110888 post_id=5073 time=1618026537 user_id=1077 Wrote:1 key difference is we were not in a global pandemic during those and a game of football is not really important if it may affect the quality of the core output channels from the national broadcaster during a moment of history. Most of those who wanted to see the football could watch it on an alternative BBC service so they did not miss out
BBC One and Two did news, BBC Four closed down. So unless BBC Three has come back early what is this alternative service you speak of?
Most people would have access to the red button to watch it on there
The usual upbeat TOTH jingle on BBC Local Radio stations ("On the BBC Sounds app, on your smart speaker..." etc) has been suspended in favour of just a sombre arrangement of the usual 6-note motif.
The bottom line is that yesterday’s scheduling decisions were essentially made in 2002. The BBC was completely spooked by the condemnation it got over Peter Sissons’ burgundy tie (which wasn’t that bad by the way...you’d think he wore a Richard Whiteley-style creation).
A crisis over tone set in back then. A crisis emboldened when they tried to cover the Diamond Jubilee in a jaunty way in 2012 with Tess Daly and co. Each attempt to slightly modernise royal coverage has been met with criticism, so they’d obviously decided to make it as austere as possible. Hence the lack of alternate programming yesterday, despite BBC2 showing non-royal stuff on the evening of Diana’s death.
Also reducing the amount of output yesterday also meant there was less chance of Radio 1 etc ‘getting it wrong’. Complaints over too much coverage are clearly preferable to those about an inappropriate song being played. As Steve Williams can attest (I think he’s said this before), but the TV schedules in the days after Diana died were the most altered since the resumption of broadcasting after WW2. Everything had to be re-watched in case of offence. They even removed a repeat of Keeping Up Appearances because Hyacinth Bucket’s reference to ‘my husband and I’ was felt to be parodying the Queen and therefore not appropriate in that febrile week.
I’m going to mention ties!
What’s the protocol now with ties? Black ties just on the day of the death and the funeral? Charlie seems to be wearing a dark green tie today and not all reporters are wearing black so I guess it’s sombre/sober colours until the day of the funeral?
I was referring to the overnight coverage on 6music and I agree that radio 1 1xtra Asian network etc should not of take radio 4 yesterday afternoon and should of stuck with newsbeat
WeArethelosers post_id=4678 time=1617992100 user_id=1345 Wrote:Did any channels stop broadcasting altogether (besides shopping channels and BBC Four)
Channel five plus one had a not avaliable caption for about 5 hours.
richard110888 post_id=5104 time=1618037823 user_id=1077 Wrote:I may be wrong but I would imagine that having a simple animating slide requires a lot less bandwidth than a live football match with rapid camera movements and real time graphics
Yes, but the red button stream is on the same DTT mux as the BBC1/2/4 streams, so it makes no difference
James Vertigan post_id=5111 time=1618038840 user_id=50 Wrote:I’m going to mention ties!
What’s the protocol now with ties? Black ties just on the day of the death and the funeral? Charlie seems to be wearing a dark green tie today and not all reporters are wearing black so I guess it’s sombre/sober colours until the day of the funeral?
Mike's tie is a slightly sober version of what he usually wears!
All this talk about the BBC getting it wrong because they had to follow their own protocols set years ago isn't really going to endear the corporation to those whose patience is already wearing thin. I'm not talking about the usual vocal critics, I'm talking about people like me that have always been a staunch supporter. When they get it wrong, yet again, all I can do is shake my head and sigh.
As a positive, ITV handled it perfectly with regards to their main channel content and their other channels. However I fear that the Mandela Effect may cause people to misremember that ITV replaced all their channels' content with rolling coverage.
Steve in Pudsey post_id=5102 time=1618037531 user_id=942 Wrote:Markymark post_id=5100 time=1618036862 user_id=1078 Wrote:If you remember almost exactly 10 years ago, the then BBC HD channel closed for the day, so that BBC 1HD had maximum bandwidth for William and Kate's wedding. Same reason.
However, remember yesterday until 7pm (so for 7 hours) Cbeebies was on the air, which uses the same stream that BBC 4 uses after 7pm, so I don't understand why 4 had to shut. And as noted it carried a moving graphic pointing viewers to the Red Button for football.
Sorry, just nuts.
Isn't the issue that editorially BBC Four would need to be carrying the obit programming if it did go on air, and having BBC One, Two, Four, News, Scotland and Parliament all carrying the same programme on the same mux could have given the statmuxing a challenge?
In the case of BBC 4 and possibly Scotland they might have thought about pointing the PIDs at the BBC 1 stream, that would solve it
Whataday post_id=5118 time=1618040277 user_id=1029 Wrote:All this talk about the BBC getting it wrong because they had to follow their own protocols set years ago isn't really going to endear the corporation to those whose patience is already wearing thin. I'm not talking about the usual vocal critics, I'm talking about people like me that have always been a staunch supporter. When they get it wrong, yet again, all I can do is shake my head and sigh.
As a positive, ITV handled it perfectly with regards to their main channel content and their other channels. However I fear that the Mandela Effect may cause people to misremember that ITV replaced all their channels' content with rolling coverage.
Channel 4 and Channel 5 handled it quite well in different ways, Channel 4 pretty much stuck to their original schedule with a few replacements and extended news while Channel 5 tweaked their primetime lineup but otherwise it didn't look out of place from what they normally air.
Toby brown post_id=5112 time=1618038901 user_id=1251 Wrote:I was referring to the overnight coverage on 6music and I agree that radio 1 1xtra Asian network etc should not of take radio 4 yesterday afternoon and should of stuck with newsbeat
Oh OK, sorry I missed that bit (and obviously missed the actual thing as I was asleep). If that's what happened then yes it's a bit odd
Markymark post_id=5119 time=1618040607 user_id=1078 Wrote:In the case of BBC 4 and possibly Scotland they might have thought about pointing the PIDs at the BBC 1 stream, that would solve it
That's not a usual operation they'd do and so would be a bit risky on such a big day. As soon as such an event happens they announce a technical change freeze for that very reason - not allowed to change anything or touch anything unless its to fix a problem
Toby brown post_id=5112 time=1618038901 user_id=1251 Wrote:I was referring to the overnight coverage on 6music and I agree that radio 1 1xtra Asian network etc should not of take radio 4 yesterday afternoon and should of stuck with newsbeat
Yes that was a bit odd. Considering all the other national music stations managed obit playlists.
Radio 1 is back in presenter mode of 7am. Adele Roberts talking every 4/5 songs with a short link, very tight for usual Radio 1 format. Lines like “things are a bit different this weekend, if this isn’t your bag there’s a host of options on BBC Sounds”.
Interestingly no branding of the station between songs. Same across Radio 2. Which I don’t quite understand as surely a simple station ID would do the job.
[size=150][/size] OVERALL DAY 1 FOR TV RADIO:
BBC merged for the day into bbc television.
Bbc Four was suspended.
UKTV aired no ads for a while.
ITV 2 and Itv Be hacd a caption to switch to ITV.
Channel 5 plus 1 was off air for 6 hours.
Also shopping suspended.