It is a new set, but also a brand new workflow, some new technology and a massive amount of new programming and coding, which all has to be written, tested, stress-tested and then piloted properly. There is a timeline, but it’s not been made public because there’s no need to. There is no motivation to move prematurely because the programmes are currently on air from the usual place. If they were coming from a temporary set (as many regions have to do when they have a new set installed), a deadline would be far tighter I am sure.
(22-05-2022, 10:50 PM)deejay Wrote: [ -> ]If they were coming from a temporary set (as many regions have to do when they have a new set installed), a deadline would be far tighter I am sure.
Not necessarily. I remember when BBC Spotlight moved into a rather nice 'temporary set' built in a conference room elsewhere in the building back in 2014. They originally said it was for a couple of months, while the main studio was refurbished and upgraded for HD.
18 months later . . .
I’m quite happy that they’re taking their time in launching the new set. There’s nothing wrong with E, no desperate need to move out quickly. On that note, I find it strange BBC One bulletins are moving out of E. I remember one of the points of the 2008 relaunch was to align News 24 and BBC One news, hence the renaming of N24 to BBC News and the two sharing a studio. Many people at the time thought of N24 as inferior to BBC One news so surely following the studio move, the public would think the same?
It’s probably just me over-analyzing everything, but when I first heard of the intention to move the BBC One bulletins into Studio B, this is what I thought of.
They way its being described you'd think they were re-creating the Space Shuttle. If it looks any different than the 50 sets that all look/feel similar then I''lll be surprised. Until then....
(22-05-2022, 11:04 PM)Stuart Wrote: [ -> ] (22-05-2022, 10:50 PM)deejay Wrote: [ -> ]If they were coming from a temporary set (as many regions have to do when they have a new set installed), a deadline would be far tighter I am sure.
Not necessarily. I remember when BBC Spotlight moved into a rather nice 'temporary set' built in a conference room elsewhere in the building back in 2014. They originally said it was for a couple of months, while the main studio was refurbished and upgraded for HD.
18 months later . . .
Though that would always have been ambitious, the work in Plymouth was more than just a studio. The whole building had a major rebuild/refit including a brand new apparatus room in an extension built adjacent to the TV studio.
The plans are still on the councils planning portal and give a good idea of what was done
https://planning.plymouth.gov.uk/online-...100957.pdf
The BBC has not formally announced any studio or set changes, so the sense of impatience and disappointment being exhibited is unjustified really.
(23-05-2022, 10:20 AM)mdta Wrote: [ -> ]The BBC has not formally announced any studio or set changes, so the sense of impatience and disappointment being exhibited is unjustified really.
Whether it's Chris or Beeb insiders on here, it has been unofficially confirmed. It's been seen, some elements vaguely explained etc... Martine Croxall also confirmed on Twitter that there were currently no plans for her to use B in the near future.
(23-05-2022, 10:24 AM)Newsroom Wrote: [ -> ]Whether it's Chris or Beeb insiders on here, it has been unofficially confirmed. It's been seen, some elements vaguely explained etc... Martine Croxall also confirmed on Twitter that there were currently no plans for her to use B in the near future.
Yea, we know work is happening to replace the set and tech in Studio B, with the intention to bring it back into use for National News bulletins etc, but those complaining about how long it is taking, or whether or not it happens by a certain month - are acting entitled IMO
(23-05-2022, 10:51 AM)mdta Wrote: [ -> ] (23-05-2022, 10:24 AM)Newsroom Wrote: [ -> ]Whether it's Chris or Beeb insiders on here, it has been unofficially confirmed. It's been seen, some elements vaguely explained etc... Martine Croxall also confirmed on Twitter that there were currently no plans for her to use B in the near future.
Yea, we know work is happening to replace the set and tech in Studio B, with the intention to bring it back into use for National News bulletins etc, but those complaining about how long it is taking, or whether or not it happens by a certain month - are acting entitled IMO
You miss my point.
I could not care less whether Studio B relaunches in June, July, or whenever they decide to get round to finishing it.
However, I personally find the BBC’s blasé approach to these kinds of projects symptomatic of bloated organisations, and in my opinion it is rarely beneficial to the overall outcome.
The corporate rebrand is a similar example; whilst I think it looks rather nice, I’ve quite honestly never known such a messy rebrand. By the time it has completed, some element of the branding will almost certainly have been updated in the time that has passed, taking the corporation back to square one in terms of consistency.
In many ways, a commercial organisation simply would not act like it. The BBC has got a lot to learn by 2027, that’s for sure.
(23-05-2022, 11:22 AM)AaronTV Wrote: [ -> ]However, I personally find the BBC’s blasé approach to these kinds of projects symptomatic of bloated organisations, and in my opinion it is rarely beneficial to the overall outcome.
The corporate rebrand is a similar example; whilst I think it looks rather nice, I’ve quite honestly never known such a messy rebrand. By the time it has completed, some element of the branding will almost certainly have been updated in the time that has passed, taking the corporation back to square one in terms of consistency.
In many ways, a commercial organisation simply would not act like it. The BBC has got a lot to learn by 2027, that’s for sure.
But in this thread we are talking about the studio, and nobody really knows what justification you have for saying it's been done with a 'blasé' approach?
If the BBC had announced it would be ready in February, then March, then April, then finally this month said 'you know, we'll finish it at some point but whatever', then yeah, you'd have a point. But it's not been spoken about anywhere, and you have no idea if the deadline has drifted at all.
Are you able to cite something that shows the date has been pushed back?
(23-05-2022, 11:22 AM)AaronTV Wrote: [ -> ]However, I personally find the BBC’s blasé approach to these kinds of projects symptomatic of bloated organisations, and in my opinion it is rarely beneficial to the overall outcome.
In many ways, a commercial organisation simply would not act like it. The BBC has got a lot to learn by 2027, that’s for sure.
I think the argument is: How do you know the BBCs approach to these kinds of projects are blasé? We have no idea how these projects are being managed within the BBC organization - they rarely communicate externally / officially to which dates or outcomes they are driving.
We all, on this forum, like to grab as much insight as we can and create hypotheses against which we test every bit of news or further updates. If the reality challenges these hypotheses then it looks like the things aren't going to plan.
So it might appear that things are blase, but we on the outside have nothing to base this on.
Given a lack of any real evidence to the contrary, I choose to believe that such an organization is being project managed and we are just in the dark...
(22-05-2022, 11:56 PM)MFTJA Wrote: [ -> ]I’m quite happy that they’re taking their time in launching the new set. There’s nothing wrong with E, no desperate need to move out quickly. On that note, I find it strange BBC One bulletins are moving out of E. I remember one of the points of the 2008 relaunch was to align News 24 and BBC One news, hence the renaming of N24 to BBC News and the two sharing a studio. Many people at the time thought of N24 as inferior to BBC One news so surely following the studio move, the public would think the same?
It’s probably just me over-analyzing everything, but when I first heard of the intention to move the BBC One bulletins into Studio B, this is what I thought of.
Also one thing to bear in mind between 2008-2013 (pre-NBH) is that all the bulletins for BBC One and the BBC News Channel didn't exclusively come from that little shoebox that was N6. The BBC News at Six came from the much bigger TC7. So there has been a precedent set beforehand for something like this.
So having just the BBC One bulletins coming from Studio B doesn't seem too out of place all of a sudden when thinking about it.
Ignoring the general "BBC is bad and wrong" sentiment, it is the fact that they are not just a commercial company, that they are taking this phased approach to rolling out new branding, and they are OK with both logos co-existing for the foreseeable.
The greater BBC News rebrand needs to be done right, and rolled out domestically and internationally together, because of shared studios, graphics packages, and shared content output.
News 24 launched with unique branding and studios back in 1997 - only sharing it's on-screen look with BBC World - and it followed a year later compared to the Red and Cream branding which came first to BBC News domestic output. The studio and set design, are separate things, and the new set being built, relies on the changes being made to the studio tech. Studio B used to be manned by camera operators, and during the pandemic, it became an issue which resulted in it being mothballed.
I think it is curious that the BBC Bulletins will once again be separated from the News Channel - not sure if there has been much discussion as to why this is happening. The Six O'Clock News has been trying to broaden the studios it uses to better reflect the nations that make up the UK - but that doesn't fully explain the move to Studio B.
(23-05-2022, 10:51 AM)mdta Wrote: [ -> ] (23-05-2022, 10:24 AM)Newsroom Wrote: [ -> ]Whether it's Chris or Beeb insiders on here, it has been unofficially confirmed. It's been seen, some elements vaguely explained etc... Martine Croxall also confirmed on Twitter that there were currently no plans for her to use B in the near future.
Yea, we know work is happening to replace the set and tech in Studio B, with the intention to bring it back into use for National News bulletins etc, but those complaining about how long it is taking, or whether or not it happens by a certain month - are acting entitled IMO
I'm not complaining about how long it's taking, just
wishing it would come quickly as I'm excited about seeing it because - oddly for someone on here - I'm interested in presentation.
It does mystify me a little bit about why they keep these things secret. To the vast majority of viewers it's something they're just not interested in. To the rest, what
harm would it do releasing the odd progress photo - I just don't get this bit.
They released build photos when they were building NBH, why not now?
(23-05-2022, 01:15 PM)Moz Wrote: [ -> ] (23-05-2022, 10:51 AM)mdta Wrote: [ -> ] (23-05-2022, 10:24 AM)Newsroom Wrote: [ -> ]Whether it's Chris or Beeb insiders on here, it has been unofficially confirmed. It's been seen, some elements vaguely explained etc... Martine Croxall also confirmed on Twitter that there were currently no plans for her to use B in the near future.
Yea, we know work is happening to replace the set and tech in Studio B, with the intention to bring it back into use for National News bulletins etc, but those complaining about how long it is taking, or whether or not it happens by a certain month - are acting entitled IMO
I'm not complaining about how long it's taking, just wishing it would come quickly as I'm excited about seeing it because - oddly for someone on here - I'm interested in presentation.
It does mystify me a little bit about why they keep these things secret. To the vast majority of viewers it's something they're just not interested in. To the rest, what harm would it do releasing the odd progress photo - I just don't get this bit.
They released build photos when they were building NBH, why not now?
I guarantee the right-leaning tabloids will have a problem with the BBC News "wasting money" upgrading a studio when it already has studios which it can use - releasing progress photos every few weeks generates a potential article every time they do it rather than when it goes live. In a cost-of-living crisis, when the license fee and how it is spent is under more scrutiny than when NBH was under construction, it is generally best not to make a big deal about spending money on projects some will argue are frivolous.