Fault with the sound on eurosport at the snooker now. In the last frame of the session, the sound went, and then returned. When it did, there was no commentary. We heard sound of another programme briefly before it was faded out.
After the session ended, all the usual things came on screen, with details of the match this afternoon, and then the images of the crucible outside. So clearly they carried on as normal, no apology caption either.
Robertclark125 post_id=7741 time=1618768267 user_id=1163 Wrote:I'm not sure what caused the loss of pictures, but no loss of commentary, which, incidentally, was certainly not done down a phone line, the way it sounded.
If they were presenting from London they were probably taking World Feed pictures and adding their own commentary via ISDN, thus either could fail independently.
1994 was quite early days for ISDN, but it must have been that as the previous options for international commentary would have been the local PTT provided (and all countries in between) circuits which were bandwidth limited to the same as a phone line - 300Hz - 3400Hz.
It is very obvious when that is used, as old clips from the 80s or before show.
There would have been the one mono world feed associated with the pictures carrying tthe clean effects (and possibly in vision interviews sound too).
Yeah, all presentation for that tour, by ITV, was done in London, even the test matches were hosted from London, but the commentators were out in South Africa.
https://youtu.be/K7b96lE-I-A
In this one shortly after the film goes black there is about a second of static and when the breakdown slide kicks in the announcement is full of static too, almost like the breakdown caused a signal loss?
There's a saying in life, Don't start anything you can't finish. Wonder if another saying should be, Don't start anything you can't even begin! I say all that, as this BBC2 breakdown sees us lose the Lassie film, right at the start! They do eventually find Lassie, wherever she had ran off to!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbvdJDlXnjw
Bennyboy84 post_id=7904 time=1618842665 user_id=1348 Wrote:https://youtu.be/K7b96lE-I-A
In this one shortly after the film goes black there is about a second of static and when the breakdown slide kicks in the announcement is full of static too, almost like the breakdown caused a signal loss?
That's a weird one. The way in which the film disappeared, the length of time it took for pres to get the apology slide up makes me think this was something more than a simple problem with the VT/TK machine, perhaps a a power cut or router failure.
Steve in Pudsey post_id=8287 time=1618988774 user_id=942 Wrote:Bennyboy84 post_id=7904 time=1618842665 user_id=1348 Wrote:https://youtu.be/K7b96lE-I-A
In this one shortly after the film goes black there is about a second of static and when the breakdown slide kicks in the announcement is full of static too, almost like the breakdown caused a signal loss?
That's a weird one. The way in which the film disappeared, the length of time it took for pres to get the apology slide up makes me think this was something more than a simple problem with the VT/TK machine, perhaps a a power cut or router failure.
That was my thinking too, the fact that there's that burst of static suggests that something went off - I don't think will be the channel going off air briefly but white noise from something that's turned off
https://youtu.be/KsPUZbP_qhQ
Did Nick try to cover this up using the bumper loop or was this simply a case of playout getting “stuck in a loop”
James2001 post_id=7685 time=1618751893 user_id=956 Wrote:Would Challenge have been playing things off tape by 2013?
given it was server-based when they moved to Red Bee in 2006*, I very much doubt it. It's possible nobody QCed it once the tape had been ingested onto server.
* Not a breakdown per se, but we did have a couple of episodes of Eggheads that were played off tape because the reversion edits were, inexplicably, turning up on the day of transmission. One day the courier delivered them to TV Centre by mistake, and once we'd established exactly
where in TV Centre, someone trekked off down Wood Lane to fetch them. I gave them a quick spot check, gave the TX controller some timecodes, and put the VTR into remote control, something it wasn't strictly set up to do. We kept an eye on it, and all seemed well until we got Into the second episode, and realised a lot of the questions were sounding familiar. Turned out the post house had put the second half of the first episode on both tapes...
Lewis post_id=7665 time=1618748247 user_id=1064 Wrote:TVenthusiasm post_id=7664 time=1618747834 user_id=1055 Wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG8T-b02...z&index=80
On September ??, 1987, The Weather Channel had a fail with just one Local Forecast really. On a black background, the 36 Hour forecast from the National Weather Service is presented, followed by the Extended Forecast (The Cricket's Wicket).
Then it cut to the Local Radar (TWC had announced they had a problem [which they did, in fact, have] when the end of the Extended Forecast and beginning of radar picture were shown).
Then it cuts to the Current conditions (for one part of a second), and then to a black screen (Save Tonight For Me). Then the Current conditions are repeated (Islands).
I'm not familiar with the Weather Channel in any way: Is it automated?
Would it have been automated back then?
A lot of the local forecast setup would have been added at the local link/headend fully automated and cut in where necessary via the WeatherStar kit. This was mostly done over the VBI lines and satellite data itself, so the headends would have a local copy of the most recent information to put out at the appropriate time. Not sure if this was operator led or not, but in this case as the feed went down, it looks like what would be the local forecast graphics were put out to act as holding slides, which is probably about as graceful a solution as you would get back then as the headend kit didn't have much by way of power. The date on this is confusing me though, as the voiceover and radar here I would normally associate with the WeatherStar 4000 - which was only really rolled into markets in 1990.
jamesw83 post_id=8605 time=1619171164 user_id=1067 Wrote:Lewis post_id=7665 time=1618748247 user_id=1064 Wrote:TVenthusiasm post_id=7664 time=1618747834 user_id=1055 Wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG8T-b02...z&index=80
On September ??, 1987, The Weather Channel had a fail with just one Local Forecast really. On a black background, the 36 Hour forecast from the National Weather Service is presented, followed by the Extended Forecast (The Cricket's Wicket).
Then it cut to the Local Radar (TWC had announced they had a problem [which they did, in fact, have] when the end of the Extended Forecast and beginning of radar picture were shown).
Then it cuts to the Current conditions (for one part of a second), and then to a black screen (Save Tonight For Me). Then the Current conditions are repeated (Islands).
I'm not familiar with the Weather Channel in any way: Is it automated?
Would it have been automated back then?
A lot of the local forecast setup would have been added at the local link/headend fully automated and cut in where necessary via the WeatherStar kit. This was mostly done over the VBI lines and satellite data itself, so the headends would have a local copy of the most recent information to put out at the appropriate time. Not sure if this was operator led or not, but in this case as the feed went down, it looks like what would be the local forecast graphics were put out to act as holding slides, which is probably about as graceful a solution as you would get back then as the headend kit didn't have much by way of power. The date on this is confusing me though, as the voiceover and radar here I would normally associate with the WeatherStar 4000 - which was only really rolled into markets in 1990.
Thank you! This reminds me of a software replication of some weather generation kit. I remember seeing a tweet or something about it.
I've always been intrigued about weather channels and their automation, etc.
When i said "... in any way: Is it automated?" - I meant would this issue be part of automated control - not that it changes your detailed answer 
Do you work in "weather television"?
https://youtu.be/QG9ZC93Yf40
Going by the end of this breakdown clip repeating what Davina started saying just before the breakdown, I take it this was a recorded programme then.