Radio_man post_id=73652 time= user_id=1477 Wrote:Would a change like this in the US mean that World News America would be shown at 9pm GMT in the UK from October through to March? There's no political will to stop the GMT/BST clock change twice a year in the UK, so presumably, as we're seeing this week and next, it'll cause an issue for the NC's evening schedules every autumn and winter.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022...-permanent
These things crop up annually in most countries affected at this time of year and rarely go anywhere. The status quo is the status quo for a reason - people would soon realise when that extra hour of daylight in the late afternoon cines at the expense of it being darker for an hour in the mornings that there are more benefits to waking up in daylight.
harshy post_id=74300 time= user_id=970 Wrote:I think bbc world news should be renamed to bbc news, during the trailers it keeps on flicking between bbc world news and bbc news logos, keep how it’s funded and the international agenda on the global channel but call it bbc news on screen, then it’s not too obvious to the viewer when it’s simulcasting, and ties in with the app, I think it makes sense.
If you watch regularly you'll notice presenters have started to drop 'This is BBC World News/Welcome to BBC World News. It's now becoming more and more the case presenters will say 'This is BBC News, or Welcome to BBC News. Could indicate changes to come though I doubt they'll drop the identity of the channel as BBC World News.
Newsroom post_id=74356 time= user_id=1342 Wrote:harshy post_id=74300 time= user_id=970 Wrote:I think bbc world news should be renamed to bbc news, during the trailers it keeps on flicking between bbc world news and bbc news logos, keep how it’s funded and the international agenda on the global channel but call it bbc news on screen, then it’s not too obvious to the viewer when it’s simulcasting, and ties in with the app, I think it makes sense.
If you watch regularly you'll notice presenters have started to drop 'This is BBC World News/Welcome to BBC World News. It's now becoming more and more the case presenters will say 'This is BBC News, or Welcome to BBC News. Could indicate changes to come though I doubt they'll drop the identity of the channel as BBC World News.
Or as it was branded in the 90s, 'BBC News, BBC World'.
https://youtu.be/cc31UjrVdNE
For many of us, world viewers, it is still BBC World or The World so I hope they don't change to a very generic BBC News just because of a few stings or whatever that don't match during a simulcast.
ginnyfan post_id=74367 time= user_id=1033 Wrote:For many of us, world viewers, it is still BBC World or The World so I hope they don't change to a very generic BBC News just because of a few stings or whatever that don't match during a simulcast.
In the 00s it was referenced visually as bbc news from bbc world so it’s almost like that the idea except the channel would just be called bbc news like it is in the Uk, regardless of where you are in the world and using it’s app or online it’s bbc news, it would retain its uniqueness ie its commercially funded and show impact, focus on Africa etc as it is now.
ginnyfan post_id=74367 time= user_id=1033 Wrote:For many of us, world viewers, it is still BBC World or The World so I hope they don't change to a very generic BBC News just because of a few stings or whatever that don't match during a simulcast.
If they do change it, which I increasingly think they should, it won't be because of a few stings (though tidying things up isn't a bad thing), but rather the fact that BBC News is clearly the dominant brand used across all other platforms. It's the BBC News website and the BBC News app, with the BBC's international news social media accounts being named BBC News - World. Even the BBC World Service, who have traditionally had an arms length relationship with wider BBC News branding, is now frequently branded as BBC News | World Service, uses the BBC News brand for its language services television output and refers to its radio bulletins as BBC News.
BBC World News itself increasingly uses the BBC News brand over its own due to the increased levels of simulcasts and the Washington studio is branded with BBC News rather than BBC World News. Dropping the sometimes clunky BBC World News moniker in favour of simply BBC News would make things smoother on air, but more crucially it ties one of BBC News' key properties to the wider multi-platform brand (which is pretty much rule #1 of modern branding).
Newsroom post_id=74356 time= user_id=1342 Wrote:If you watch regularly you'll notice presenters have started to drop 'This is BBC World News/Welcome to BBC World News. It's now becoming more and more the case presenters will say 'This is BBC News, or Welcome to BBC News. Could indicate changes to come though I doubt they'll drop the identity of the channel as BBC World News.
Surely this is because for almost a month now, BBC World News has been in almost 24/7 simulcast with the BBC NC, forcing all mentions of 'World News' on air to be dropped? Instead you get the 'latest headlines for viewers in the UK and around the world' at the opening of the program and then it's just 'BBC News' from there onwards.
Would having two news channels both called 'BBC News' operating out of the same building not be a bit of a logistical naming nightmare internally? I can imagine people getting confused as to which guests were expected to go on which channel etc.
Not saying that 'would' happen and it shouldn't be an argument against any such public rebrand of World News.
At the moment, AIUI, they're known internally as 'Channel' and 'World' - but how would they distinguish them if they were both just known as News?
Remember though, there are still inconsistencies some 14 years on since its rebrand, as to how the BBC News channel is referred to on air. Sometimes its 'here on the BBC News channel', 'here on BBC News' or just 'on the News channel'.
Worzel post_id=74380 time= user_id=1259 Wrote:Would having two news channels both called 'BBC News' operating out of the same building not be a bit of a logistical naming nightmare internally? I can imagine people getting confused as to which guests were expected to go on which channel etc.
Not saying that 'would' happen and it shouldn't be an argument against any such public rebrand of World News.
At the moment, AIUI, they're known internally as 'Channel' and 'World' - but how would they distinguish them if they were both just known as News?
I imagine in such a situation you'd just refer to them internally as UK and World. Even so, for most of the day, not even accounting for the war in Ukraine, the two services largely function as opts of the same core service - with most of the differentiated output taken up by 'brands' such as Breakfast, Impact, Global, etc., which should alleviate some confusion.
Worzel post_id=74380 time= user_id=1259 Wrote:Remember though, there are still inconsistencies some 14 years on since its rebrand, as to how the BBC News channel is referred to on air. Sometimes its 'here on the BBC News channel', 'here on BBC News' or just 'on the News channel'.
To be fair, though, it's about the same level of consistency as before the rebrand when 'BBC News 24' or just 'News 24' seemed to be at the discretion of the presenter. And that was nowhere near the level of inconsistency of 'the BBC News at X', 'the BBC News at X O'Clock', 'the BBC X O'Clock News' or 'the X O'Clock News from the BBC' from 1999-2008 (and, in some cases, to this day).
Worzel post_id=74380 time= user_id=1259 Wrote:Would having two news channels both called 'BBC News' operating out of the same building not be a bit of a logistical naming nightmare internally? I can imagine people getting confused as to which guests were expected to go on which channel etc.
Not saying that 'would' happen and it shouldn't be an argument against any such public rebrand of World News.
At the moment, AIUI, they're known internally as 'Channel' and 'World' - but how would they distinguish them if they were both just known as News?
Remember though, there are still inconsistencies some 14 years on since its rebrand, as to how the BBC News channel is referred to on air. Sometimes its 'here on the BBC News channel', 'here on BBC News' or just 'on the News channel'.
CNN seems to manage well in having both CNN US and CNN International branded on air only as CNN.
So surely it would work fine for BBC News (UK) and BBC World News both just to be known on air as BBC News.
I see absolutely no reason to change it, especially as the BBC like to keep the international services at arms length, however much they may be simulcasting at the moment.
The only scenario I see it happening really is if the UK news channel is closed down and an adapated simulcast of the World News channel is used to plug the gap - but even then it's probably better to make clear to viewers it's offering World News, rather than UK focused.
In fairness I don’t see why ‘BBC World News’ can’t simply broadcast ‘BBC News’ branded bulletins, whether simulcasts or not. Nobody watches Impact or Outside Source and gets confused as to the identity of the channel.
House post_id=74516 time= user_id=1266 Wrote:In fairness I don’t see why ‘BBC World News’ can’t simply broadcast ‘BBC News’ branded bulletins, whether simulcasts or not. Nobody watches Impact or Outside Source and gets confused as to the identity of the channel.
Yes. I think you can make an argument for the channel still being called BBC World News, but the generic news bulletins should really be 'BBC News' as that is the brand used for news across every other platform.
Brekkie post_id=74387 time= user_id=976 Wrote:especially as the BBC like to keep the international services at arms length, however much they may be simulcasting at the moment.
Maybe 15 years ago, but BBC World News isn't 'kept at arms length' these days. I'm not just talking about increased simulcasts, but organisationally it is now largely under the same structure as domestic BBC News services. Although it is formally owned by BBC Global News, there is now a single Controller for all English-language BBC News output on television and radio.
Plus, the one area that the channel hasn't been at arms lengths for ages is branding - with it being integrated into wider BBC News branding since 2000 (and arguably 1997). It is also more integrated than the BBC World Service, who have used BBC News as the master brand for several years now.
House post_id=74516 time= user_id=1266 Wrote:In fairness I don’t see why ‘BBC World News’ can’t simply broadcast ‘BBC News’ branded bulletins, whether simulcasts or not. Nobody watches Impact or Outside Source and gets confused as to the identity of the channel.
And that is exactly what they do and have done for the last quarter of a century. People seem to be looking for fixes to a problem that doesn't actually exist.
Random thought following this thread.
Considering that the BBC Box that gets generated is unique to either BBC News Channel or BBC World News and is probably one of the multitudous (sp?) reasons why this cannot be done. If the two services were to come under the "BBC News" banner and drop all pretence. Would having on the boxes on the feeds the following work or not?
BBC News / UK
BBC News / World
Or would it be too confusing.
I would do an illustration but would have to find my thread over in the Gallery to show what I mean.