Radio_man post_id=71515 time=1646342003 user_id=1477 Wrote:Matthew post_id=71476 time=1646332588 user_id=938 Wrote:Radio_man post_id=71471 time= user_id=1477 Wrote:I'm in the UK but manage to see snippets of BBC WN via a certain website, and it seems that World News is simulcasting the BBC 1/NC News at 1pm and 6pm every day. Is the 10pm also being simulcast? Is Breakfast the only thing not being simulcast on WN at the moment?
So all BBC TV news output is more or less being simulcast across BBC 1, NC & World News. The days of World News being an almost entirely separate operation from BBC domestic TV news (NC & BBC 1 bulletins) seems is well & truly over.
Still 3.5 hours of difference and temporary as this story has taken over news almost altogether, can't say anything is well & truly over yet
I wasn't saying that the two channels have merged completely, but that the level of simulcasting that we're seeing now, with World News even taking BBC 1 domestic bulletins, is unprecedented. Ok, BBC 1 bulletins are dominated by Ukraine at the moment, but there's still some domestic content in the bulletins, and with UK references that are not suited to World audiences.
The amount of simulcasting now would've been out of the question even 10 years ago and unthinkable 15-20 years ago. There's nothing wrong with sharing resources between the NC & WN of course, but if this had happened 15 years ago, World would've flown out their own journalist to anchor their bulletins from Kyiv, with Clive there for News 24 and BBC 1 only.
BBC WN only takes up the first 20 minutes of the News at 1 and 6, when they are covering the Ukraine story with Clive and Lyse. Then, they opt out and continue with Impact and Global (although with generic branding).
I don´t see what is the problem with that. They even opt out during the headlines at the TOTH.
nlondeix post_id=71516 time= user_id=2058 Wrote:Radio_man post_id=71515 time=1646342003 user_id=1477 Wrote:Matthew post_id=71476 time=1646332588 user_id=938 Wrote:Still 3.5 hours of difference and temporary as this story has taken over news almost altogether, can't say anything is well & truly over yet
I wasn't saying that the two channels have merged completely, but that the level of simulcasting that we're seeing now, with World News even taking BBC 1 domestic bulletins, is unprecedented. Ok, BBC 1 bulletins are dominated by Ukraine at the moment, but there's still some domestic content in the bulletins, and with UK references that are not suited to World audiences.
The amount of simulcasting now would've been out of the question even 10 years ago and unthinkable 15-20 years ago. There's nothing wrong with sharing resources between the NC & WN of course, but if this had happened 15 years ago, World would've flown out their own journalist to anchor their bulletins from Kyiv, with Clive there for News 24 and BBC 1 only.
BBC WN only takes up the first 20 minutes of the News at 1 and 6, when they are covering the Ukraine story with Clive and Lyse. Then, they opt out and continue with Impact and Global (although with generic branding).
I don´t see what is the problem with that. They even opt out during the headlines at the TOTH.
I didn't say there was a problem, I stated there's nothing wrong with sharing resources. I just stated that before the cuts and resource sharing that we've seen between NC and World over the last 5 years, and especially over the last 2 years, World would've kept a largely separate output from the NC to cover a story like this. We wouldn't have had the almost 21 hour simulcast between the 2 channels that we have now say 10 or 15 years ago.
It's not really unprecedented for World and the NC to simulcast an entire schedule and for both to take the 1, 6 and 10 bulletins complete with the bespoke titles. Actually, it's pretty common during any major global stories.
Indeed, you can find a montage somewhere on YouTube of the BBC's coverage of the Paris terrorist attacks from 2014 which show World and NC sharing bulletins, including some presented from Studio E. I'd find the video if I had time.
I know there are some on here who still react badly to any suggestion that BBC World News should simply be renamed BBC News, but this amount of simulcasting is surely another good argument for it.
Dateline London now. John Simpson not realizing that he’s still in vision on the studio E screens and biting heartily into a big sandwich as the programme wrapped up.
Impact, Live with seem to be always the first to go in a pandemic or conflict, shows like Outside Source seems to be there regardless.
DTV post_id=71544 time= user_id=1056 Wrote:I know there are some on here who still react badly to any suggestion that BBC World News should simply be renamed BBC News, but this amount of simulcasting is surely another good argument for it.
Is there when you'd expect a BBC World News channel to show "BBC News" and in normal times most programming is branded anyway, including relatively new simulcast shows like Outside Source and now Context. Remember what we're seeing now is a once in a generation news event where the norms go out of the window.
If anything if I was viewing BBC News around the world the one thing I'd expect to see is the flagship BBC UK bulletin so really it's quite surprising that in normal times it isn't part of the schedule.
Brekkie post_id=71933 time= user_id=976 Wrote:Is there when you'd expect a BBC World News channel to show "BBC News" and in normal times most programming is branded anyway, including relatively new simulcast shows like Outside Source and now Context. Remember what we're seeing now is a once in a generation news event where the norms go out of the window.
I was more referring to the fact that the simulcasts mean the channel doesn't get namechecked with the coverage simply all branded as BBC News. I suppose this is actually slightly better than on a normal day when they constantly switch between BBC News and BBC World News, but it would really make sense just to have the one brand.
If anything, the change should have been made in 2008, but these days the name BBC World News just seems like a clunky sore thumb. The website and app is BBC News, the social media accounts are BBC News (World), the Washington set is adorned with BBC News logos. BBC News is the stronger, more multi-platform brand, it would be cleaner to have just the one brand on television.
It’s only amongst the tv geek community (and on forums like this) that it matters. The rest of the viewing public doesn’t give a toss whether the bulletin is branded BBC (World) News or whatever. And most of them - tuning in to listen and watch the news - won’t sit for 30mins staring at the logo at the bottom left of the screen.
Reach, funders, advertisers will, of course and for obvious reasons, be more particular about branding.
The rest of us, not so much.
JamesWorldNews post_id=71960 time= user_id=1044 Wrote:It’s only amongst the tv geek community (and on forums like this) that it matters. The rest of the viewing public doesn’t give a toss whether the bulletin is branded BBC (World) News or whatever. And most of them - tuning in to listen and watch the news - won’t sit for 30mins staring at the logo at the bottom left of the screen.
Reach, funders, advertisers will, of course and for obvious reasons, be more particular about branding.
The rest of us, not so much.
This is certainly true. But by that metric, broadcasters should stop bothering about new sets, new graphics, new titles, etc. every few years as most viewers don't particularly notice.
All I was saying was that, from a branding point of view (which heaven forfend I discuss on here), the BBC's general emphasis of BBC News as a unified brand across all content on all platforms is at odds with one of their main properties having a different brand on one platform. Recent simulcasts have shown that they can go without the BBC World News brand for an extended period of time which, combined with the increased integration of the BBC News channel and BBC World News in recent years, shows that they could ditch the brand full time to go with the stronger BBC News brand.
I think the emphasis is on the "world" though rather than the "news", especially with advertisers. I don't know the stats but I would guess BBC World News is up there at the top in terms of global reach amongst the global news channels.
For anyone around the world - google can show you how to watch.
harshy post_id=71931 time=1646520420 user_id=970 Wrote:Impact, Live with seem to be always the first to go in a pandemic or conflict, shows like Outside Source seems to be there regardless.
Isn't Outside Source 'sold' to non-BBC stations, so has to remain for commercial reasons, whereas Impact isn't
excel99 post_id=71988 time= user_id=1238 Wrote:harshy post_id=71931 time=1646520420 user_id=970 Wrote:Impact, Live with seem to be always the first to go in a pandemic or conflict, shows like Outside Source seems to be there regardless.
Isn't Outside Source 'sold' to non-BBC stations, so has to remain for commercial reasons, whereas Impact isn't
Yep. Outside Source, Focus on Africa and World News America are syndicated so remain on air regardless of other factors.