Moz post_id=60420 time= user_id=746 Wrote:bbctvtechop post_id=59994 time= user_id=1746 Wrote:Matthew post_id=59452 time= user_id=938 Wrote:Wouldn't make sense to make bespoke bulletin for news channel but think simulcasting World would be preferable, people still have option of BBC1
Simulcasting World on the Channel instead of Breakfast would mean quite a significant increase in staff.
How come?
I'm guessing it may either require another gallery to be manned or to provide filler content for ad break points. It's worth noting that currently during Breakfast on the News Channel there is signing, which I imagine provides a valuable service.
Moz post_id=60420 time= user_id=746 Wrote:bbctvtechop post_id=59994 time= user_id=1746 Wrote:Matthew post_id=59452 time= user_id=938 Wrote:Wouldn't make sense to make bespoke bulletin for news channel but think simulcasting World would be preferable, people still have option of BBC1
Simulcasting World on the Channel instead of Breakfast would mean quite a significant increase in staff.
How come?
Because it’s the BBC, so we have to find reasons why things can’t be done rather than making them happen.
all new Phil post_id=60426 time= user_id=865 Wrote:Moz post_id=60420 time= user_id=746 Wrote:bbctvtechop post_id=59994 time= user_id=1746 Wrote:Simulcasting World on the Channel instead of Breakfast would mean quite a significant increase in staff.
How come?
Because it’s the BBC, so we have to find reasons why things can’t be done rather than making them happen.
I didn't say it couldn't be done, only that it would increase the costs to do so.
You would need someone to make fillers to play during the ad breaks, plus a staffed gallery (perhaps only one person, or maybe a second pair of hands for emergencies) to play them out.
There are also knock ons for signing (as above) and editorial. Do World change their running order to account for a large UK story because they're also going out on the Channel, despite the fact they would otherwise ignore it?
bbctvtechop post_id=60434 time= user_id=1746 Wrote:all new Phil post_id=60426 time= user_id=865 Wrote:Moz post_id=60420 time= user_id=746 Wrote:How come?
Because it’s the BBC, so we have to find reasons why things can’t be done rather than making them happen.
I didn't say it couldn't be done, only that it would increase the costs to do so.
You would need someone to make fillers to play during the ad breaks, plus a staffed gallery (perhaps only one person, or maybe a second pair of hands for emergencies) to play them out.
There are also knock ons for signing (as above) and editorial. Do World change their running order to account for a large UK story because they're also going out on the Channel, despite the fact they would otherwise ignore it?
Well for the majority of overnights they are simulcasting so why can’t that continue post 6am with the same arrangements as are in place for between midnight and 6am?
It's just not worth it for the same reason it is usually not worth the news channel doing their own thing during the 1/6/10.
Brekkie post_id=60462 time= user_id=976 Wrote:It's just not worth it for the same reason it is usually not worth the news channel doing their own thing during the 1/6/10.
If I was switching on to the BBC's domestic news channel during a peak slot of breakfast, I would expect it to be broadcasting domestic news. Doesn't matter what another channel is doing.
Exactly, and there is clearly a small but significant number of BBC News viewers who stick with the news channel for their news from the BBC regardless of whether it's on BBC1 given how strong the ratings for the 6 and 10 are on the news channel.
I wonder if there's a halfway house that could help that core audience of news junkies by taking Breakfast between 0600 and 0800 then taking BBC World for an hour from 8 while Breakfast does the lighter stuff. This could be dropped in favour of staying with Breakfast if something UK specific is breaking.
BBC Scotland's off-air Barker proves that an automated break filler is still viable with current systems.
Steve in Pudsey post_id=60629 time= user_id=942 Wrote:I wonder if there's a halfway house that could help that core audience of news junkies by taking Breakfast between 0600 and 0800 then taking BBC World for an hour from 8 while Breakfast does the lighter stuff. This could be dropped in favour of staying with Breakfast if something UK specific is breaking.
BBC Scotland's off-air Barker proves that an automated break filler is still viable with current systems.
Isn't that what they used to do, as pre-Covid the NC would leave Breakfast at 8:30 and join World News for Business Live/WorkLife and going straight to Victoria Derbyshire at 9:00?
Steve in Pudsey post_id=60629 time= user_id=942 Wrote:I wonder if there's a halfway house that could help that core audience of news junkies by taking Breakfast between 0600 and 0800 then taking BBC World for an hour from 8 while Breakfast does the lighter stuff. This could be dropped in favour of staying with Breakfast if something UK specific is breaking.
BBC Scotland's off-air Barker proves that an automated break filler is still viable with current systems.
I think it would be wrong for the BBC News Channel to drop it's simulcast with Breakfast because it also simulcast's it's other main bulletins with the BBC One and the News Channel is a UK news channel , it's not the BBC World News Channel, so I'd say keep Breakfast as it is on the News Channel.
BBCMeridian post_id=60667 time= user_id=2083 Wrote:I think it would be wrong for the BBC News Channel to drop it's simulcast with Breakfast because it also simulcast's it's other main bulletins with the BBC One and the News Channel is a UK news channel , it's not the BBC World News Channel, so I'd say keep Breakfast as it is on the News Channel.
BBC NC survives for much of its time as a joint service with WN in the evenings and overnight.
I don't understand the reason for Breakfast to also be shown on the NC when they clearly have an existing alternative channel to broadcast which isn't normally available to people in the UK between 0600-0900.
Stuart post_id=60670 time= user_id=875 Wrote:BBCMeridian post_id=60667 time= user_id=2083 Wrote:I think it would be wrong for the BBC News Channel to drop it's simulcast with Breakfast because it also simulcast's it's other main bulletins with the BBC One and the News Channel is a UK news channel , it's not the BBC World News Channel, so I'd say keep Breakfast as it is on the News Channel.
BBC NC survives for much of its time as a joint service with WN in the evenings and overnight.
I don't understand the reason for Breakfast to also be shown on the NC when they clearly have an existing alternative channel to broadcast which isn't normally available to people in the UK between 0600-0900.
I mean, there are a whole range of issues to contend with. The overnight shift is specifically staffed to resource its output (a joint service, in the main). Aside from staffing, there are also content rights issues which sit alongside the remit of various programmes World will put out (such as Worklife being a very targeted programme). Amongst all though, you get to the killer question: would anyone really notice the difference in international news being streamed when you have output specifically designed for an audience and time of the day to suit the UK.
Stuart post_id=60670 time= user_id=875 Wrote:BBC NC survives for much of its time as a joint service with WN in the evenings and overnight.
I don't understand the reason for Breakfast to also be shown on the NC when they clearly have an existing alternative channel to broadcast which isn't normally available to people in the UK between 0600-0900.
But again, breakfast is a prime slot on a news channel, in a way that evenings and overnight aren't, because not much news is breaking in the UK in those hours. Also as well, the Sunday 8am hour is usually BBC News' most watched hour of the week because Breakfast isn't usually on BBC1 then - so either you simulcast World News then, to the bemusement of the audience who expect domestic news there, or you simulcast Breakfast on the news channel on the Sunday, but not any other day.
I don't see the issue anyway, Breakfast is very clearly a news programme and I don't see why it's any more unsuitable for the news channel than any other programme BBC News produces. The mix of news and lighter features doesn't seem much different than any other hour, other than it's presented in a lighter style as befitting the time of day.
Ben Boulos making his studio debut on today’s BBC Breakfast. (If the cryptic clues on social media are guessed correctly).