Inspector Sands post_id=48261 time= user_id=1003 Wrote:Stanley Matravers post_id=48242 time= user_id=1435 Wrote:Inspector Sands post_id=48189 time= user_id=1003 Wrote:Others survived in a different form (TSW as a shoe company, TVam as a Casino and TWW as an opticians)
Shoe company? Casino? Opticians?
Really? ?
Please are you able to expand on any of those?
Thanks in advance. ?
Yes, TSW underwent a reverse takeover and became UK Safety Plc
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin...76644.html
TVam did the same with Crockfords casino
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin...59589.html
TWW owned the majority stake in Dolland and Aitchinson when they lost the franchise so the TV assets were sold on to Harlech and the optician business remained
https://www.opticianonline.net/features/...-aitchison
All of those links are paywalled.
JAS84 post_id=48284 time= user_id=881 Wrote:All of those links are paywalled.
Really? The independent had a registration screen first time I looked and that went away by itself (it's free registration).
I was able to read the other link no problem last night. Its OK if I go to it from Google oddly
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And the other way round, David Quayle the Q in B&Q was one of TVS's founding directors
I can't remember the details, but I seem to recall one site TVS had earmarked for studios was on some B&Q owned land at Eastleigh. In the end of course they took over Northam, but wasn't Vintners Park land originally bought by Southern TV?
Inspector Sands post_id=48189 time= user_id=1003 Wrote:Thames is said to be the only ITV company to survive a franchise/license loss, which is kind of true although TVS kind of did as it was bought by an American company and used to set up in the UK
Others survived in a different form (TSW as a shoe company, TVam as a Casino and TWW as an opticians) but its the only one to continue making programmes
Yes, although TVS certainly has quite a bit of a legacy as many of its programmes lived on and various departments spun off into indies. Its kids output is the most obvious, with Art Attack and the like coming from Media Merchants, Neil Buchanan's company, which operated out of Maidstone, and others like How 2 and Finders Keepers continuing via STV, and then of course there's the production company The Foundation which was set up by a lot of former TVS personnel and made shows like Ministry of Mayhem, and I see has since been absorbed by Zodiak, a super-indie as part of the Banijay empire.
In addition you had The Ruth Rendell Mysteries carried on, produced by Blue Heaven Productions which I think was the old TVS drama department now working as an indie, and there was also Topical TV which was based out of Southampton and made shows like the continuing TV Weekly for ITV and City Hospital which involved a load of former TVS staff as well. So although TVS itself went pop, quite a lot of its shows continued and there are still traces of it in TV production today.
Steve Williams post_id=48374 time= user_id=1326 Wrote:Inspector Sands post_id=48189 time= user_id=1003 Wrote:Thames is said to be the only ITV company to survive a franchise/license loss, which is kind of true although TVS kind of did as it was bought by an American company and used to set up in the UK
Others survived in a different form (TSW as a shoe company, TVam as a Casino and TWW as an opticians) but its the only one to continue making programmes
Yes, although TVS certainly has quite a bit of a legacy as many of its programmes lived on and various departments spun off into indies. Its kids output is the most obvious, with Art Attack and the like coming from Media Merchants, Neil Buchanan's company, which operated out of Maidstone, and others like How 2 and Finders Keepers continuing via STV, and then of course there's the production company The Foundation which was set up by a lot of former TVS personnel and made shows like Ministry of Mayhem, and I see has since been absorbed by Zodiak, a super-indie as part of the Banijay empire.
In addition you had The Ruth Rendell Mysteries carried on, produced by Blue Heaven Productions which I think was the old TVS drama department now working as an indie, and there was also Topical TV which was based out of Southampton and made shows like the continuing TV Weekly for ITV and City Hospital which involved a load of former TVS staff as well. So although TVS itself went pop, quite a lot of its shows continued and there are still traces of it in TV production today.
Some of its news department formed the core of LNN too ?
Isn’t itv just a southern driven operation ie all the ideas from two main production places in the south with the soaps now being on everyday of the week?
What I liked about the old itv was the varied richness of ideas coming across the country and them competing to get the best programmes on network, of course it was always a thrill to see a not very usual endcap like CTV or Grampian.
Markymark post_id=48387 time= user_id=1078 Wrote:Some of its news department formed the core of LNN too ?
I think so, I know TVS had a very good reputation for local news. Mark Sharman was another former TVS person who went on to make a great contribution to ITV post-TVS as head of news and sport.
harshy post_id=48394 time= user_id=970 Wrote:Isn’t itv just a southern driven operation ie all the ideas from two main production places in the south with the soaps now being on everyday of the week?
What I liked about the old itv was the varied richness of ideas coming across the country and them competing to get the best programmes on network, of course it was always a thrill to see a not very usual endcap like CTV or Grampian.
Well, you can hardly say it's southern-dominated and then say the soaps are on too much, as they are clearly not southern.
It's easy to look back on those days as a golden age but I know Thames were not particularly popular around the rest of the ITV network as they used to throw their weight around quite a lot and demand their own way because they were the biggest company. And the likes of Channel and Grampian barely got on air, the schedules were totally dominated by the Big Five who made up the scheduling committee and what they said went, and the smaller companies would be palmed off with off-peak slots or be invited to make things for political reasons. It's been said before that the commitee system of ITV was totally illogical anyway, because they were supposed to pick the best programmes on merit, but it was made up by people from the various companies who all wanted as many of their own programmes chosen as possible.
And there are plenty of opportunities for programmes from across the UK to appear on ITV, because of all the indie producers.
Yeah that’s what I mean the northern half is whatever these days saturate the channel with soaps with not many original ideas for programming because it only comes from whatever is the south these days, in the olden days it was diverse with proper regional itv like Yorkshire television serving Yorkshire folk.
Southern Television continued independently into the late 80s exploiting its archive before it was bought by Southern Star of Australia.
harshy post_id=48428 time= user_id=970 Wrote:Yeah that’s what I mean the northern half is whatever these days saturate the channel with soaps with not many original ideas for programming because it only comes from whatever is the south these days, in the olden days it was diverse with proper regional itv like Yorkshire television serving Yorkshire folk.
But that's not really the case either, as ITV own MultiStory Media, which grew out of what was Yorkshire's factual department, and Lifted, both of whom have a major presence in the north, and a good number of their shows are produced and made there. They may not have Yorkshire or Granada at the end, but they are entirely northern productions.
You can see that on Lifted's website, they produce loads of stuff out of Salford, for many broadcasters -
https://www.liftedentertainment.com/late...tor-north/
What I still find really odd was how much coverage this got at the time. It predates me by a few months, so the significance outside of our little circle is lost on me. I would've thought it was important to something like Working Lunch from a business perspective, but how and why was it a lead story on many news programmes on the day? Was the public's interest in ITV's politics really that strong?
Larry the Loafer post_id=48647 time= user_id=990 Wrote:What I still find really odd was how much coverage this got at the time. It predates me by a few months, so the significance outside of our little circle is lost on me. I would've thought it was important to something like Working Lunch from a business perspective, but how and why was it a lead story on many news programmes on the day? Was the public's interest in ITV's politics really that strong?
It does look weird now, but many of these companies were household names at the time - and ITV viewing was far greater than it is now. There was also the perceived threat to hit programmes, with a lot of talk (possibly plucked from the papers' imagination) that shows like Coronation Street or The Bill could go to Sky. Of course, what did happen is that most of the Thames programmes stayed on ITV (This Is Your Life going to the BBC a few years later).
Night Thoughts post_id=48687 time= user_id=1484 Wrote:It does look weird now, but many of these companies were household names at the time - and ITV viewing was far greater than it is now. There was also the perceived threat to hit programmes, with a lot of talk (possibly plucked from the papers' imagination) that shows like Coronation Street or The Bill could go to Sky. Of course, what did happen is that most of the Thames programmes stayed on ITV (This Is Your Life going to the BBC a few years later).
... TIYL went
back to the BBC ?
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