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Stanley Matravers post_id=30031 time= user_id=1435 Wrote:It was always a bit of a dead slot, as far back as I can remember. Essentially watched only by people who've not bothered switching off/over after the regional news and/or have turned up early for EastEnders, rather than being a draw in itself.

I can't name a single programme that was ever in that slot before the advent of The One Show. I'm sure there must have been countless things, and nothing really stuck.

A lightweight magazine programme seems the perfect "white noise" / "moving wallpaper" for such a slot. It's surprising that it took until the mid-2000s for something like The One Show, as it feels as if it's the sort of airtime-filler that could/should have been there since forever ago.

In the good old days of the 90s there were decent quality programmes at 7pm, like Holiday, Telly Addicts, This is Your Life, Wipeout, etc.
Going further back, Wogan was in the 7pm slot thrice-weekly between 1985 - 1992, before making way for the ill-fated Eldorado, which lasted a year.

You also had things like Top of the Pops on Thursdays at 7pm.
I stand corrected.

Maybe I'm confusing it with the *post*-EastEnders slot? Or something.

The memory cheats. And it was a long time ago (by which I mean more than a fortnight).

That's senility for you...
Watchdog and Holiday on Monday and Tuesdays were the main ones, with I think Telly Addicts airing on Mondays too in the days when you didn't have the same thing on week after week, month after month (I kind of miss seasonal variations) but I'm struggling with the tailend of the week.


The One Show has it's place in the schedule now - and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if at some point it is permanently expanded to an hour a night with EastEnders bumped to the 8pm hour.
Meridian MR post_id=30033 time= user_id=1002 Wrote:In the good old days of the 90s there were decent quality programmes at 7pm, like Holiday, Telly Addicts, This is Your Life, Wipeout, etc.

In the nineties, yes, but certainly not in the years before The One Show began - nine times out of ten it was some spin-off from Holiday or Watchdog, or some dull docusoap, and they all got awful ratings against Emmerdale. The last time I can remember them showing light entertainment there was Didn't They Do Well in 2004 which, inevitably, got awful ratings against Emmerdale. And "decent quality" is a very generous description of the likes of Wipeout.

And as mentioned, between 1985 and 1992 it was Wogan three nights a week. Indeed in the seventies and early eighties, Nationwide ran until 7pm and that was an era when people tended to get home from work earlier and went to bed earlier, so I don't find it too much of an imposition on the schedule to have The One Show running until 7.30. I know it's a bit different at the moment but I'm never in the mood to sit down and concentrate on something at 7pm - I'm usually having dinner or doing the washing up, so I want something I can dip in and out of. No doubt BBC1 also enjoy having half an hour of flexible live TV every night, as they did with Wogan and Nationwide, to cover everything and do big launches and so on.

I don't rush home to watch The One Show, or record it, but I do end up seeing it most nights and I find it a likeable show. Anna Maxwell Martin was great value the other night, and the interview with Emily Blunt and The Rock was very amusing as well. They do get some very interesting guests on and genuinely try to cover everything, and I think One Big Thank You is a really lovely feature as well. And Alex Jones has corpsed pretty much every day this week, which is great fun.
I thought Wipeout was a daytime quiz? Aired at lunchtime like Going for Gold back in the day and Impossible nowadays.
JAS84 post_id=30118 time= user_id=881 Wrote:I thought Wipeout was a daytime quiz? Aired at lunchtime like Going for Gold back in the day and Impossible nowadays.
It was originally a prime time show hosted by Paul Daniels. Later on it was shown as a daytime quiz and hosted by Bob Monkhouse.
JAS84 post_id=30118 time= user_id=881 Wrote:I thought Wipeout was a daytime quiz? Aired at lunchtime like Going for Gold back in the day and Impossible nowadays.

It started as prime time (7pm, Fridays I think) with Paul Daniels and live studio audience.
https://youtu.be/vHncWoIpqGg

Then it became daytime with Bob Monkhouse and fake studio audience.
https://youtu.be/5gQDBfQkHX4
(23-07-2021, 08:33 AM)Steve Williams Wrote: [ -> ]And "decent quality" is a very generous description of the likes of Wipeout.

Well, I'm not the least bit ashamed to say that little me loved the original primetime version of Wipeout and adult me still does.  Wink

Among other things, Dave Arch's soundtrack is still a joy to listen to after all these years.
Having one programme in that slot means they save money and don't have to worry about commissioning for that slot, it's the reason why Morning Live was commissioned and looks likely to be a permanent part of the daytime schedule.
Steve Williams post_id=30101 time= user_id=1326 Wrote:
Meridian MR post_id=30033 time= user_id=1002 Wrote:In the good old days of the 90s there were decent quality programmes at 7pm, like Holiday, Telly Addicts, This is Your Life, Wipeout, etc.

In the nineties, yes, but certainly not in the years before The One Show began - nine times out of ten it was some spin-off from Holiday or Watchdog, or some dull docusoap, and they all got awful ratings against Emmerdale. The last time I can remember them showing light entertainment there was Didn't They Do Well in 2004 which, inevitably, got awful ratings against Emmerdale. And "decent quality" is a very generous description of the likes of Wipeout.

Ah, so I *wasn't* misremembering. In the years Immediately prior to The One Show, it was indeed a bit of a duff slot. Although I enjoyed watching the likes of Telly Addicts back-in-the-day, I have long-since forgotten what slot it aired in.
XIII post_id=30293 time= user_id=894 Wrote:Having one programme in that slot means they save money and don't have to worry about commissioning for that slot, it's the reason why Morning Live was commissioned and looks likely to be a permanent part of the daytime schedule.

When the One Show first came to be, I was personally surprised they hadn’t tried a daily magazine style show in the slot earlier. Being brought up with S4C on constantly, we were used to having Heno providing what was essentially a slimmed version of a morning/weekend magazine show in the evening slot and it just always made sense to me that you’d have a show like that at that time. The enduring quality is questionable as it was looking very dated and stilted the last time I watched, but there’s no doubt it’s been a success and definite value for money for S4C over the years, and I’m surprised no other channels tried the formula earlier.
Airport, Animal Hospital, (90's) 2 Point 4 Children I think all went out in the 7pm hour
watchingtv post_id=30630 time= user_id=1243 Wrote:Airport, Animal Hospital, (90's) 2 Point 4 Children I think all went out in the 7pm hour

2 Point 4 Children certainly didn't, it had some adult themes like adultery and 8pm was the very earliest it went out. Animal Hospital was at 8pm, it was big news at the time because it beat The Bill, and Airport was at 8.30 as well (and on Saturday nights for a while). You might have got repeats of it there, but no new episodes.

And of course for eight years, between 1985 and 1993, you had Wogan and then Eldorado at 7pm three nights a week, all year round, and Top of the Pops every Thursday, so there was only 7pm on Tuesdays that was available, and that usually had Holiday for six months of the year, so there were virtually no new shows in that slot.

There were a few shows in that slot in the nineties like Telly Addicts and This Is Your Life, but the latter was moved to after 8pm after a few years and for the last few years before The One Show there was nothing of any value. I've just picked a random week in 2005, the last autumn before The One Show's pilot run and if you go through the 7pm slots here - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/se...3#at-19.00 - you have three docusoaps (dull ones too), Watchdog and the short-lived Holiday spin-off Departure Lounge. It was a dead slot.

The other reason why there wasn't much of any value at 7pm, certainly from 2000 onwards, is because you had Emmerdale there every night which was pulling in ten million viewers. So the only thing that would have made any difference to BBC1's audience at 7pm would not be anything they did, probably, but a crap revamp of Emmerdale.

With The One Show now, it has probably an audience of about 2-3 million who watch every night out of habit (unless there's a bloody big event on the other side like in the Euros) and another million or two who drop by if Emmerdale isn't on, or a bit boring. That at least gives BBC1 some consistency in that slot, which they didn't have before it started.

Flux post_id=30620 time= user_id=766 Wrote:When the One Show first came to be, I was personally surprised they hadn’t tried a daily magazine style show in the slot earlier. Being brought up with S4C on constantly, we were used to having Heno providing what was essentially a slimmed version of a morning/weekend magazine show in the evening slot and it just always made sense to me that you’d have a show like that at that time. The enduring quality is questionable as it was looking very dated and stilted the last time I watched, but there’s no doubt it’s been a success and definite value for money for S4C over the years, and I’m surprised no other channels tried the formula earlier.

There's a bit about Wogan in Jon Plowman's book, because he produced it for a few years, and he said that within the Beeb there was a bit of a debate about what it would be when it started at 7pm, because Jim Moir in light entertainment wanted it to be stuffed with showbiz, and other people, like Brian Wenham, then Director of Television, wanted it to be a show that reflected the news and made news itself, and the resulting show was a bit of a messy compromise.

But Wogan, like Nationwide before it and now The One Show, had value as being a very regular slab of live telly that could be used for everything. The first 7pm Wogan was a great example, as Michael Grade appeared on it to say the dispute with Thames was over and Dallas was coming back to BBC1. And any other time anyone to do with the Beeb had anything to launch or announce, they'd do it on Wogan, so it would be used to launch Children in Need, Comic Relief, A Song For Europe and the like. On the night in 1986 the Six O'Clock News went off air because of a fire in the studio, Nicholas Witchell went on Wogan that night to explain what went on.

And similarly The One Show is used to make announcements regarding Strictly, Comic Relief, SPOTY and so much else, and they can do obituaries on it, and obviously in the last year it's been hugely valuable from a PSB perspective in terms of health messaging and so on. And the other obvious benefit is that it means there's always a new programme on BBC1 even if the rest of the evening looks a bit threadbare.
There seemed to have been an issue with trying to replace Nationwide, which had been so popular in the 1970s, and although had been revamped in the final few years to make it more serious, it did last until the summer of 1983.
A really wide range of material, and although it had light-hearted features (skateboarding ducks and so on) it did have some fantastic journalism in there too. I particularly remember "Down and Out" where a reporter lived on the streets for a month and filed several reports a week. It was the first time I had considered what being homeless could actually be like.
Hidden cameras back in those days (and the sound kit) would have been far more difficult back then than now as well!
Use of the BBC regional / nations studios also gave it a good UK wide remit. It also introduced several features around the public, such as Watchdog and Pigeon Post.

They replaced that with Sixty Minutes, which lasted only a year - far too dull and had none of the charm of its predecessor.
It then went through the period without a fixture in the BBC 1 schedule as described, and the One Show from Birmingham with Adrian Childes was the first time the old Nationwide type show was revived but in the 7pm rather than 6.30 slot.
The pilot was a success, but of course couldn't possibly be done from Birmingham, so it was moved to White City for the full series.

Is it perfect - no, but it is live and adaptable to whatever is going on elsewhere. It's better than yet another game show.
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