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Was looking at some end boards on TV ark from ITV companies yesterday, and a few of them had, as an example "A Tyne Tees Television production for Channel 4". As well as being broadcasters, the ITV franchise holders were also production companies, making programmes for Channel 4 from 1982, and since the late 1980s the BBC and other broadcasters. But, in the initial 1982-1992 period, were there any ITV companies who didn't make programmes for Channel 4? The only three I can think of are Border, Channel, and TV-am.
Examples of programmes made for Channel 4 by ITV companies I can think of are:
Yorkshire - Countdown
Thames - For what it's worth
Scottish - My dead dad, The Steamie
Tyne Tees - The Tube
I've seen on TVark endboards for channel four shows from Anglia, TVS, HTV west, Granada, Anglia, TSW, LWT, Ulster and Grampian. But, did Border or Channel make any shows for Channel 4?
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Dare say there may be a handful of Border programmes for ITV Schools on 4 (the Wiki article suggests Channel 4 effectively helped Border out as they spent most of the 70s in financial difficulties, so Channel 4's want for new programmes boosted their portfolio).
Channel made next to sod all for ITV (aside from sticking fingers in some pies so to speak programme wise) so its probably safe to assume they made sod all for Channel 4 too.
At some point TV-am "programmes" (ie anything that wasn't mainstream/news/magazine/features as part of the main programme)was was effectively indie (children's programming was either imported or indie at least). So they weren't really in a position to make stuff for Channel 4, primarily because they didn't have two pennies to rub together for years, and by the time they had money the only production aside from the live output they did was their own news/features - everything else had been farmed out.
I remember finding an old IBA Yearbook in my university library years ago that said that most sold C4 show internationally that year (some time in the mid 80s) was a Channel produced cartoon. There can't have been many of those so presumably it won't be impossible to find information on it online!
Border made a bizarre sitcom for channel 4 that stored Jools Holland, I think.
James2001 post_id=61568 time= user_id=956 Wrote:Border made a bizarre sitcom for channel 4 that stored Jools Holland, I think.
Border made quite a lot for Channel Four, the sitcom was Groovy Fellers (playing on Jools' moment of madness on The Tube).
They also made the youth shows Bliss, which featured quite prominently on the last series of Guy Garvey From The Vaults on Sky Arts, and APB. One of the IBA Yearbooks says Border welcomed C4 as an opportunity to expand their horizons as programme makers.
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Steve Williams post_id=61618 time= user_id=1326 Wrote:James2001 post_id=61568 time= user_id=956 Wrote:Border made a bizarre sitcom for channel 4 that stored Jools Holland, I think.
Border made quite a lot for Channel Four, the sitcom was Groovy Fellers (playing on Jools' moment of madness on The Tube).
Yes, the initials 'GF' were a reference to Jools' outburst ? It wasn't actually on the The Tube itself I recall, but rather a live trail over on CITV to promote the show ?
Back to the matter in hand, did HTV produce anything for C4 (Of course plenty of stuff for S4C !)
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I'm pretty sure TVam did make a programme for Channel 4, albeit before TVam went on air. David Frost's End of Year show on New Year's Eve 1982:
https://tvrdb.com/listings/1982-12-31
Yes - HTV West produced Garden Club for C4 apparently, although used a Cardiff address for correspondence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utk0bns71vM
and what appears to be a music doc featuring Wet Wet Wet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r16QiSXcJ0k
Here's a Channel example, not sure what the programme would be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL6o6Z1x7cU
Write that down in your copybook now
Markymark post_id=61622 time= user_id=1078 Wrote:Yes, the initials 'GF' were a reference to Jools' outburst ? It wasn't actually on the The Tube itself I recall, but rather a live trail over on CITV to promote the show ?
Back to the matter in hand, did HTV produce anything for C4 (Of course plenty of stuff for S4C !)
Yes!
http://www.ukgameshows.com/ukgs/Where_in...rld%3F_(1)
Yes, Jools said it on a trailer. Not many people seem to have noticed but someone is uploading every single episode of The Tube to YouTube, heaven knows how long they'll be up there, but although they haven't uploaded the incident itself they have got that day's episode, with Jools' apology about 1:08 into it.
https://youtu.be/EUdfLl0CtwQ
They also have the episode from six weeks later when he returns after being suspended. Actually there are some fascinating episodes of The Tube on that channel that were produced during strikes around December 1985, one with Jools and Paula doing pre-recorded links around clips and repeats, and one where Peter Cook is standing in for Jools and there's no studio lighting, so most of it comes from the production office but they do a few performances from the studio, lit by torchlight.
The actual incident must be one of the most famous but least seen TV moments ever, 35 years on in a few weeks and it doesn't appear to have surfaced anywhere. You note Jools refers to the trailer as being on Channel Four but, as you say, the story always used to be that it was after Children's ITV which made it even worse. In one of the docs about The Tube, they admitted that they were going to try and pretend he hadn't said it and the people complaining had misheard, but they had to abandon that line when someone told them they'd recorded it.
Funnily enough Pete Murray got away with that when he was, apparently, the first person to say the F-word on British radio, when he was on Radio Luxembourg in the early sixties. When the Daily Sketch phoned up, he just told them they'd misheard and he'd actually said "flipping" and because they'd not heard it themselves, a reader had phoned up and told them, that was the end of it. Simpler times.
Inspector Sands post_id=61637 time= user_id=1003 Wrote:I'm pretty sure TVam did make a programme for Channel 4, albeit before TVam went on air. David Frost's End of Year show on New Year's Eve 1982:
https://tvrdb.com/listings/1982-12-31
That was billed in the TV Times as a Paradine Production, Frost's own production company, though I think you're right to say it was made at the TV-am studios, as a sort-of on-air pilot for the new facilities.
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TSW had a programme on day 2 of Channel 4, which was their first comedy sketch show: The Cut Price Comedy Show:
https://www2.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b86f17b43
https://www.tvcream.co.uk/telly/tv-a-z/a...-show-the/
UTV were involved in the production of “The Irish RM” for Channel 4/RTE.
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Steve Williams post_id=61641 time= user_id=1326 Wrote:That was billed in the TV Times as a Paradine Production, Frost's own production company, though I think you're right to say it was made at the TV-am studios, as a sort-of on-air pilot for the new facilities. Yes that's my understanding. The production company I didn't know, although I imagine that's possibly more of a technicality. I can't imagine that there was much of Paradine at that point, his focus was all on TVam (even at the end of his life it was only a handful of people)
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Steve Williams post_id=61640 time= user_id=1326 Wrote:Funnily enough Pete Murray got away with that when he was, apparently, the first person to say the F-word on British radio, when he was on Radio Luxembourg in the early sixties. When the Daily Sketch phoned up, he just told them they'd misheard and he'd actually said "flipping" and because they'd not heard it themselves, a reader had phoned up and told them, that was the end of it. Simpler times.
Ha, and thanks to the famous Luxy 'Reception-Fade' the word would have probably been totally mangled up for some listeners anyway!
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Inspector Sands post_id=61642 time= user_id=1003 Wrote:TSW had a programme on day 2 of Channel 4, which was their first comedy sketch show: The Cut Price Comedy Show:
https://www2.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b86f17b43
https://www.tvcream.co.uk/telly/tv-a-z/a...-show-the/
I also recall about a year into C4 some awful comedy show shown weekdays at 5pm. Involving a Welsh police station ? (or I might have totally imagined that bit !)
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