ITV News studio issues
#31
(20-07-2022, 08:08 PM)no1fanofthepals Wrote:
(20-07-2022, 07:22 PM)lepeterrr Wrote: Can I ask what IP is?

I assume it is Internet Protocol.
See this case Study
https://dbbroadcast.co.uk/wp-content/upl...y-2022.pdf
#32
(20-07-2022, 07:22 PM)lepeterrr Wrote:
(20-07-2022, 07:15 PM)Newsroom Wrote: The entirety of GIR is receiving an upgrade to bring it up to modern times- as a result of this ITN are able to do the same.

As with any upgrade and with projects the size of these, it’ll take time.

We already know both itv and channel 4 newsrooms are receiving long overdue upgrades.

My understanding is that ITN will be 100% over IP by end of year.
Can I ask what IP is?

As others have said - internet Proptocol.

BBC Wales broadcasts over IP, and much of what NBH do is coming online.

Actually the majority of broadcasting during Covid was conducted over IP (internet, Cellular). 

It’s the way forward.
#33
Sounds well cool does that mean goodbye to itn newsnet I’ve not seen that in a while
#34
(20-07-2022, 09:44 PM)harshy Wrote: Sounds well cool does that mean goodbye to itn newsnet I’ve not seen that in a while
What on Earth is this ITN Newsnet?
#35
I think it's a clean feed of material sent over satellite, it's on 19.2e in KA Band
#36
(20-07-2022, 09:24 PM)Newsroom Wrote:
(20-07-2022, 07:22 PM)lepeterrr Wrote: Can I ask what IP is?

As others have said - internet Proptocol.

BBC Wales broadcasts over IP, and much of what NBH do is coming online.

Actually the majority of broadcasting during Covid was conducted over IP (internet, Cellular). 

It’s the way forward.


It is, but be careful not to over simply too much. When talking about IP with installations such as BBC Cardiff, an IP OB truck or the ITN project mentioned about, it's the P in IP that's being used. Internet Protocol is being used to interconnect and address/control the broadcast equipment with in those systems, however they are NOT connected to 'the internet', that's a totally different kettle of fish. They exist largely as IP architecture based islands. Interconnections in and out of them generally don't use the public internet either. Of course clients for Zoom and Teams for remote interviews etc will, but they are edge devices within the systems will rigorous safeguards and firewalls to prevent any 'pollution' of the broadcast IP network(s), but that's also the case of baseband SDI installations of course.

Connecting together different IP OB trucks at an event (at IP level) is also far far more complex than you might intuitively think, and in most cases SDI is used as the interconnect  (and is effectively the firewall) .
#37
(21-07-2022, 11:04 AM)Markymark Wrote:
(20-07-2022, 09:24 PM)Newsroom Wrote: As others have said - internet Proptocol.

BBC Wales broadcasts over IP, and much of what NBH do is coming online.

Actually the majority of broadcasting during Covid was conducted over IP (internet, Cellular). 

It’s the way forward.


It is, but be careful not to over simply too much. When talking about IP with installations such as BBC Cardiff, an IP OB truck or the ITN project mentioned about, it's the P in IP that's being used. Internet Protocol is being used to interconnect and address/control the broadcast equipment with in those systems, however they are NOT connected to 'the internet', that's a totally different kettle of fish. They exist largely as IP architecture based islands. Interconnections in and out of them generally don't use the public internet either. Of course clients for Zoom and Teams for remote interviews etc will, but they are edge devices within the systems will rigorous safeguards and firewalls to prevent any 'pollution' of the broadcast IP network(s), but that's also the case of baseband SDI installations of course.

Connecting together different IP OB trucks at an event (at IP level) is also far far more complex than you might intuitively think, and in most cases SDI is used as the interconnect  (and is effectively the firewall) .

amusingly there's a similar behaviour among those who maintain Actual Internet Infrastructure. The console ports (nearly always just RS232 on an RJ45 connector) are frequently connected to terminal servers that themselves provide an IP interface. Not normally used for general maintenance tasks but perfect for remote access if all else fails, and if someone manages to get to a login prompt there's not much else they can do since all they can do is send text back and forth, there is no IP connection into the device.

of course these devices have to pass internet traffic by necessity, but there is extensive testing and validation done to ensure that no one can get access to the secret bits from the public internet.
#38
(21-07-2022, 12:04 AM)Roger Darthwell Wrote:
(20-07-2022, 09:44 PM)harshy Wrote: Sounds well cool does that mean goodbye to itn newsnet I’ve not seen that in a while
What on Earth is this ITN Newsnet?

Newsnet is a cleanfeed from GIR to the ITV Regions.
If say a Manchester MP was interviewed on ITV News they can get either the TX's report or unedited footage.
It's coordinated by the newsroom editors and is usually played out both morning and afternoon from GIR on the same channel.
It saves having to book a line and tie up linesrooms etc.
#39
By running over IP, whether it’s internet or not, it provides a hard wired solution between broadcast centres and outlets.
#40
It’s also worth mentioning that although there are IP standards, some facilities have been built and are basically running as if all the data is transmitted as HD-SDI.

From what I understand Telemundo Center is the largest IP plant in the world according to an SMPTE article.
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