Eurovision 2023 - BBC

[natashajacobs]

I am not the BBC will end up hosting. I am not sure the Ukrainians will accept not hosting and the BBC will be very reluctant unless they have the backing of the Ukrainians.

And even then will BBC News want the BBC to host as Russia will surely retaliate by expelling the remains BBC news personal inside Russia.

As you've said several times but you clearly are not grasping the reality of the situation.   It is not Ukraine's contest to hold - they have not met the requirements for the EBU to proceed with them winning for very obvious reasons.    

As for BBC News in Russia - that's not a factor at all.   Dozens, if not hundreds, of journalists and broadcasting personnel have already been blacklisted.   You don't cower in fear to an enemy like Russia and you don't refuse to host events just incase it upsets a dictator waging an unjust and illegal war.    The UK have already done things politically and in military terms which will upset Putin far more than hosting the Eurovision Song Contest ever will.

Have to be careful when prodding a bear with a stick though. Putin is clearly very dangerous, nobody quite knows what he is capable of, and the show of unity of the ESC in Ukraine would only fire him up more. Maybe one solution could be satellite hosting; everyone else in UK?

[Newshound47]

I am not the BBC will end up hosting. I am not sure the Ukrainians will accept not hosting and the BBC will be very reluctant unless they have the backing of the Ukrainians.

And even then will BBC News want the BBC to host as Russia will surely retaliate by expelling the remains BBC news personal inside Russia.

As you've said several times but you clearly are not grasping the reality of the situation.   It is not Ukraine's contest to hold - they have not met the requirements for the EBU to proceed with them winning for very obvious reasons.    

As for BBC News in Russia - that's not a factor at all.   Dozens, if not hundreds, of journalists and broadcasting personnel have already been blacklisted.   You don't cower in fear to an enemy like Russia and you don't refuse to host events just incase it upsets a dictator waging an unjust and illegal war.    The UK have already done things politically and in military terms which will upset Putin far more than hosting the Eurovision Song Contest ever will.

I think there are many other broadcasters willing to host even if Ukraine has not accepted being unable to do so. I’m just not sure the BBC is among them.

[telebox2001]

I think you're wrong. Let's draw the line there.

[Joe]

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[valley]

I think the Stereophonics gig on now highlights why a stadium venue of the size of the Principality Stadium just wouldn't be right for Eurovision.

Interesting about the NEP network in that thread.  Would connectivity to that network be a deal breaker in where the show goes - NEP trucks have done the OB for several years now haven't they, pretty much since SVT's OB operations were acquired?

Not really. EBU normally have their own fibre network put in place and the show is carried over satellite anyway.

[aaron_scotland]

I think the Stereophonics gig on now highlights why a stadium venue of the size of the Principality Stadium just wouldn't be right for Eurovision.

Interesting about the NEP network in that thread.  Would connectivity to that network be a deal breaker in where the show goes - NEP trucks have done the OB for several years now haven't they, pretty much since SVT's OB operations were acquired?

Even if it was part of the requirements all the venues discussed are already on their fibre map

https://assets.website-files.com/5c40ac4...140422.pdf

[telebox2001]

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[thegeek]

I think the Stereophonics gig on now highlights why a stadium venue of the size of the Principality Stadium just wouldn't be right for Eurovision.

Interesting about the NEP network in that thread.  Would connectivity to that network be a deal breaker in where the show goes - NEP trucks have done the OB for several years now haven't they, pretty much since SVT's OB operations were acquired?

The OB provider and the connectivity provider don't need to be one and the same. For big events, Eurovision Services often bring quite a bit of their own kit on site, and will rent fibre connectivity from the local telco (or another fibre provider) back to the nearest interconnect point on their network - eg somewhere like Telehouse in London. AAUI, it's far less reliant on the member broadcasters' connectivity than it used to be.

[News Engineer]

The OB provider and the connectivity provider don't need to be one and the same. For big events, Eurovision Services often bring quite a bit of their own kit on site, and will rent fibre connectivity from the local telco (or another fibre provider) back to the nearest interconnect point on their network - eg somewhere like Telehouse in London. AAUI, it's far less reliant on the member broadcasters' connectivity than it used to be.

They’d have a few months to create a temporary POP if they wanted to?

Either way, wherever it’s held it’ll be FiNE.

[RhysJR]

[telebox2001]

RE: Cardiff - is the roof load bearing? Anyone here in the know?

Someone eagle eyed at Wiwibloggs has noted the Birmingham NEC/Resorts World has cleared its schedule. That's the one on the outskirts isn't it - the NIA of 1998/Gladiators fame is in the city centre IIRC? Always get them mixed up.

[deejay]

Yes, the NEC is near Solihull on the edge of Birmingham, near the airport, loads of parking, loads of exhibition halls which are multipurpose. It’s very suited to the modern contest actually, hosts lots of concerts and would be far more suitable than whatever the NIA calls itself these days.

[Jon]

RE: Cardiff - is the roof load bearing?  Anyone here in the know?

Someone eagle eyed at Wiwibloggs has noted the Birmingham NEC/Resorts World has cleared its schedule.  That's the one on the outskirts isn't it - the NIA of 1998/Gladiators fame is in the city centre IIRC?  Always get them mixed up.

The NEC and the NIA are both owned by the same group.

It would just be the speculative clearing of the schedules at this time, though?

Either the NEC or NIA hosted that ITV concert for Ukraine, didn't they? So it would be a very apt choice, especially if they let them have the venue for that event free of charge.

Edit: It was the Resorts World Arena (NEC).

[telebox2001]

Yeah it was, Jamala made one of her several appearances there.

[RDJ]

The clearing of the schedules of the Resorts World Arena is not speculative, it’s on purpose. Birmingham has cleared the schedules for the Resorts World arena specifically to bid for Eurovision it’s been reported by many media outlets including from the Mayor of the West Midlands.

https://twitter.com/andy4wm/status/15391...9b4akipeJw

It’s the same arena that hosted ITV’s Concert for Ukraine a few weeks ago.

Of course the Resorts World Arena is not in Central Birmingham, unlike the NIA (Now Utilita Arena) where 1998 was held. (Nice fact is that yesterday marked 30 years since ITV’s Gladiators started filming there)

There’s a lot of comment on Social Media that the Resorts World Arena is the poor relation due to it not being centrally located, though it is marginally bigger than the NIA. One big advantage is that the NEC is right next door, which has oodles of space for press conferences and the likes. 

So I’d say Birmingham stands a pretty good chance, the only negative is that it hosted it last time… but it might turn out to be the only viable option for the BBC.