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Relaunch of BBC World News Strands
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21-07-2021, 11:43 PM
#4876 of things I just don’t get that the BBC does
I understand Newsday’s place on BBC World News, but why on earth is it appropriate to randomly have a bulletin presented from Singapore on the domestic news channel? It makes zero sense.
21-07-2021, 11:52 PM
NewsGuy post_id=29852 time= user_id=1287 Wrote:Those circle graphics over Karishma's shoulder look awful and tacky. Pandemic and staffing levels maybe? Dosent stop Asia business report where the catwalk is back in play.
21-07-2021, 11:55 PM
all new Phil post_id=29854 time= user_id=865 Wrote:#4876 of things I just don’t get that the BBC does Money. BBC News UK always simulcasts BBC World News from 23.00. Cheaper to just show that when they think so few UK viewers will be watching. Sky News so has the advantage late nights and overnight for people wanting UK focused news.
22-07-2021, 12:20 AM
The only thing that made no sense to me about the relaunch is the headlines at half past the hour being read by someone I don't think I've ever seen before on BBCWN. If it's Karishma Vaswani's show why have a set of headlines coming out of London but she's anchoring the rest. Other than that, Karishma is doing a really good job, and it's great to have some normality returning.
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22-07-2021, 12:34 AM
We now have no headlines at 12:30am, instead a bbc news slide with Mishal Husain(I think?) telling us we’ll get all the main stories and headlines when newsday continues at TOTH and also introducing hard talk.
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22-07-2021, 12:38 AM
Universal_r post_id=29865 time= user_id=1052 Wrote:We now have no headlines at 12:30am instead a bbc news slide with Mishal Husain(I think?) telling us we’ll get all the main stories and headlines when newsday continues at TOTH and also introducing hard talk. I thought that worked better as a lead in to Asia Business Report for us. The headlines during the first hour made no sense and looked very out of place.
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22-07-2021, 07:03 AM
Before reading this, I just want to make it very clear that I have no disrespect towards those who have worked hard on the recent OS & Newsday relaunches. This is more of a personal rant against the "improved" look BBC News is heading towards.
Does anyone else get the sense that this new style seems poorly thought out and tacky? We've gone from individual programming strands looking bold and authoritative, to looking the same as each other, and it just feels incredibly repetitive and boring. What does the red "D" in the Newsday wordmark even mean? BBC News as a whole is in desperate need of a wholesale revamp, with new studios, music, titles - the whole lot. The current look has lasted more than 8 years in total, by far the longest of any single visual style since the channel launched in 1997. I can easily understand why that isn't feasible during a pandemic (and with all the budget cuts the Corporation is facing), however a "minimalist" version of the current look just seems like it will age even faster and feel even duller, and I cannot comprehend for the life of me why the focus isn't purely on recovering from the pandemic's impact and restoring the programmes as they were, before making changes which seem quite regressive. It's also part of why I feel the half-baked 2019 graphical changes were a missed opportunity for something much, much greater. Maybe this is the completion of that, I honestly do not know.
22-07-2021, 07:35 AM
Sad to see Newsday won't be presented from both London and Singapore. On the other hand, a 30 minute bulletin being double headed might not be the best and especially with those link delays. If it were an hour long, then a doubled headed format would work better regardless of the presence of satellite delays.
Is the 11 pm simulcast in the UK permanent or just due to the pandemic? Did they have "The Papers" at 11:30?
22-07-2021, 08:56 AM
Rather than endless hours from Studio E or C, I take the new launch of Newsday from Singapore as a welcome move.
Why not! Something new! We all - especially on these boards - crave variety and something new. And the moment we get variety and something new, we moan and complain about it. After one single edition. I’m sure there’ll be tweaks along the way. But for now, I quite like what I saw. Even the circular drop-ins. I note with some humour that the same members who complained about the lack of Newsday are some of the same members complaining about the return of Newsday. The red letter D? No idea. I’m sure a London Studio C version of Newsday will pop-up soon enough, if only because Karishma is on her own at the moment in Singapore. Mariko Oi is in Tokyo and, therefore, there’s no second anchor in Singapore to cover Karishma’s days off. So, I guess they’ll use London here and there, albeit not in dual-location mode.
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22-07-2021, 09:15 AM
JamesWorldNews post_id=29888 time= user_id=1044 Wrote:Rather than endless hours from Studio E or C, I take the new launch of Newsday from Singapore as a welcome move.Sure, variety is good but I don't like how it's replacing a domestic bulletin, hopefully only temporary
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22-07-2021, 09:24 AM
I loved the new titles for Newsday.
I thought Mishal Husian emphasising the word 'studio' sounded odd and therefore will hazard a guess there is another version for double city presentation. Also, didn't we see tweets that James Reynolds may be involved from London? And didn't we also see the Overnights coming from E while rehearsals for Newsday were underway, indicating C would be involved .... They are clearly not utilising the studio as they could be due to the lack of staff available, that could also be another reason why it didn't launch with two presenters. The circle overlay is very CNN NEWDAY. A graphic upgrade that took place when Brianna Keilar joined the show a few months ago. Would. be more suited to Outside Source I think.
22-07-2021, 09:41 AM
NewsGuy post_id=29811 time= user_id=1287 Wrote:Isn't it a bit odd to launch a show on a Wednesday? ?Everything BBC News related seems to launch on Wednesdays these days. The Reith/Qulam font launch on BBC Persian last week happened on a Wednesday - the equivalent of a Friday in the Persian world! My assumption is that management, engineers, etc are around for 2 days before launch to do final testing/snagging, on launch day to check it all goes well and bathe in the glory, and then 2 days afterwards before their weekend break to fix any post-launch issues. JF World post_id=27517 time= user_id=1208 Wrote:I do like the rigidity of the World Service, with (as Ros Atkins put it) its "hard posts", it feels concise and to the point - something I feel that television news needs to learn from...Ros is totally playing down the World Service hard posts in his Twitter thread. It's been 13 years since I was a radio SM in Bush House, but there were up to FIFTEEN hard posts an hour on the English networks: xx.00.00 - One minute "billboard" for upcoming programme xx.01.00 - News bulletin starts xx.04.00 - News bulletin opt out point xx.06.00 - End of news bulletin, start of programme xx.15.00 - One minute promo* xx.16.00 - Start of new/continuation of existing programme xx.29.00 - 30 second promo* xx.29.30 - 30 second promo* OR 30 second billboard for new programme xx.30.00 - News summary xx.32.00 - Start of new/continuation of existing programme xx.44.00 - One minute promo* xx.45.00 - Start of new/continuation of existing programme xx.52.00 - Start of new/continuation of existing programme xx.59.00 - 30 second promo* xx.59.30 - TOTH "countdown"* * in my era these were played from autoplayers. For World Have Your Say, the programme Ros is referring to, and other sequence programmes, most of the hard posts would be dropped to give one continuous programme. In most hours though, they were mostly all respected (the xx52 was the only one that didn't happen very often). The system happened automatically by network switchers in the control room and your studio got an orange light when it was routed to a network. There was a system called PTT, or pre-transmission test, which 10 minutes before your scheduled switch flashed up on a screen which network(s) you were broadcasting to and your on- and off-air time. This gave you 10 minutes to query it with control room if something didn't look right and for them to correct the system. You also had to "accept" the instructions by pressing a button once you were happy, which committed the times and networks into the schedule. There was an ever-increasing alarm in control room if the PTT wasn't accepted, starting at 5 minutes before TX, in case of a studio manager not being in the studio (which would have meant the studio would be silent when it was switched to network). The main reason in my era for the automated scheduling was that so many partners took different things but not others. A partner station in Ghana might only take the 3 minute bulletin while others took the whole 5 minutes. A partner in Indonesia might only take the programme 15-29 but not the programme 32-44, etc. By ensuring the switches were automatic and at set times, you could offer the full schedule to the partner and they could pick and choose what they wanted, knowing it would always start and end at exact times. There were also different English networks - the core English stream, but also optouts for English speaking bits of the world which did their own programmes, mainly Africa. Programmes like Africa Have Your Say and Focus on Africa only went out to these African streams, but opted out of the main English stream. So obviously the timings had to be the same to fit in with the rest of the content. So while Europe was hearing one programme, Africa was hearing another - but they would get the same promos and news bulletins/summaries in the middle. And, yes, the system would cut you off if you were running late. 
22-07-2021, 10:05 AM
Josh post_id=29842 time= user_id=955 Wrote:Here is the TOTH:I don't like this new intro. It looks very cheap, especially compared to the old one. I (as a non british person) admire BBC (World) News for it's strong, distinctive yet diverse openings and it's general branding but if (in case of a redesign) all openings go in this direction, I don't think this admiration will last any longer. (Of course without wanting to disrespect the people who designed this. It's not the worst opening I've seen at all, I just think it's a step backwards from the old Newsday opening and the general BBC (World) News style.)
22-07-2021, 10:11 AM
AnotherRandomPerson post_id=29903 time= user_id=1483 Wrote:Ahead of the BBC logo changes is it pure coincidence that in the into around the globe there are three partial rings? From the other thread it was suggested that the new BBC blocks will animate, and I wondered if these three partial rings could be related to these new BBC blocks.Josh post_id=29842 time= user_id=955 Wrote:Here is the TOTH:I don't like this new intro. It looks very cheap, especially compared to the old one.
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22-07-2021, 11:08 AM
It's not terrible... I think the titles are something of an improvement. The old ones seemed quite generic, the new ones at least seem closer to the BBC "family" (even if they remind me more of older graphics used by NHK's Newsline).
I kind of like the globe used in the titles with the reflected elements inside it (shadows/elements of the landmass?) - it wouldn't surprise me if we came to see this used more with other branded programmes. But the overall package feels rather derivative. It lacks polish. Like others, I have no idea what the red D stands for. And why is the Newsday programme bug on the straps still orange? |
