Joe post_id=13721 time=1621589815 user_id=1035 Wrote:bfgarmy post_id=13652 time=1621546183 user_id=977 Wrote:No doubt discussion about the coverage of this story will feature on Newswatch - so it'll be a BBC News programme reviewing BBC News coverage of a BBC programme investigating an interview originally aired on ... the BBC.
I've never understood why people think this so unbelievable and ridiculous. It's called accountability, it shows the strength of having independent teams. The BBC is not some homogenous being that can't criticise itself – it's an organisation of teams and departments. Of course one arm can report on another arm, especially it's we're talking about soemthing that happened decades ago. That's healthy.
That may well be, but they're all still operating under the same brand and they wouldn't want to "stir the pot" too much in case it had negative repercussions for them, too. Remember, if the BBC goes, then they'd be out of a job!
I think people are being way too over the top, predicting the end of the BBC. That's just madness. This will blow over before too long. Any lasting implications will not result in the organisation closing. ?
More bad news for the BBC:
Government considers BBC shake-up after damning Diana report
Quote:Damning findings about Martin Bashir’s 1995 Panorama interview with Diana, Princess of Wales, means the governance of the BBC and how it operates will have to be examined, according to a senior government minister.
The comments by the justice secretary, Robert Buckland, came as the Metropolitan police said they would “assess” the contents of John Dyson’s report “to ensure there is no significant new evidence”, after previously deciding not to begin a criminal investigation.
The Met said it had determined in March that “it was not appropriate to begin a criminal investigation into allegations of unlawful activity in connection with a documentary broadcast in 1995, but should any significant new evidence emerge it would be assessed”.
More here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021...ew-inquiry
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No surprise there considering this report plays into the anti-BBC agenda.
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With this Dyson Inquiry, the findings surrounding the Jimmy Savile cover- up, the Hutton Inquiry and the Cliff Richard controversy - it’s clear to see that the journalism techniques of the BBC in the last have been improper and scandalous at times.
It’s only right the BBC should be scrutinised for this now. However each inquiry should have changed the way the BBC operates. So whether there’s any additional measures that should be placed on the BBC remain to be seen, but I’m sure that lessons have been learnt from all of these and convinced that we won’t see the likes of this from the BBC again.
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Cassia Tuna post_id=13753 time=1621595276 user_id=1506 Wrote:Joe post_id=13721 time=1621589815 user_id=1035 Wrote:bfgarmy post_id=13652 time=1621546183 user_id=977 Wrote:No doubt discussion about the coverage of this story will feature on Newswatch - so it'll be a BBC News programme reviewing BBC News coverage of a BBC programme investigating an interview originally aired on ... the BBC.
I've never understood why people think this so unbelievable and ridiculous. It's called accountability, it shows the strength of having independent teams. The BBC is not some homogenous being that can't criticise itself – it's an organisation of teams and departments. Of course one arm can report on another arm, especially it's we're talking about soemthing that happened decades ago. That's healthy.
That may well be, but they're all still operating under the same brand and they wouldn't want to "stir the pot" too much in case it had negative repercussions for them, too. Remember, if the BBC goes, then they'd be out of a job!
Looking at the image for the actual programme, the graphic designs certainly didn't hold back!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0...nd-the-bbc
I don't think The BBC will be going anywhere. It might get a kicking and this affair will certainly leave a scar. The BBC has a lot of its reputation to clean up now. It needs reform regardless of this whole drama and that would have happened anyway. This may just speed it up and make it more orientated towards certain parts of the reform/BBC. It mainly dials into the same old thing of journalists going too far. And perhaps the BBC journalists thought they were above it and it "can't happen here" type thinking. But it did, and there will need to be some kind of shake up in that area of the BBC. LBC had a very good discussion this morning with with Nick Ferrari and various relevant people calling in who used to work at the corporation. Even Nick Ferrairi didn't say it would mean the end of the BBC! (although I didn't hear the whole show)
The LBC show for today is available on the site:
https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/46vyD7z/
The Prime Minister Boris Johnson is now, according to reports very concerned about the situation:
Quote:The BBC should take "every possible step" to ensure that nothing like its deceit of the Princess of Wales to secure an interview ever happens again, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.
The PM said he was "very concerned" after an inquiry found Martin Bashir faked documents for his 1995 interview.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57200207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL6FknG8d3Y
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That would be the same Boris Johnson who got fired from The Times for making up quotes for his stories.
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Cassia Tuna post_id=13787 time=1621602801 user_id=1506 Wrote:The Prime Minister Boris Johnson is now, according to reports very concerned about the situation:
Quote:The BBC should take "every possible step" to ensure that nothing like its deceit of the Princess of Wales to secure an interview ever happens again, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.
The PM said he was "very concerned" after an inquiry found Martin Bashir faked documents for his 1995 interview.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57200207
I'm guessing the PM was asked to comment on the story by a journalist, and he has commented on the story
The World At One dedicated the first 30 minutes of the programme to this story. The BBC again going completely over the top on reporting about itself.
That's not say the story isn't important but it's a complex one and context is required. I also remember some of the vitriol printed about Diana before the died - on the morning of her death the Mail On Sunday had to replace one columnist's page with a blank page in later editions because it was so nasty.
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Omnipresent post_id=13796 time=1621604389 user_id=858 Wrote:The World At One dedicated the first 30 minutes of the programme to this story. The BBC again going completely over the top on reporting about itself.
That's not say the story isn't important but it's a complex one and context is required. I also remember some of the vitriol printed about Diana before the died - on the morning of her death the Mail On Sunday had to replace one columnist's page with a blank page in later editions because it was so nasty.
They have to do it otherwise it will only add to the situation.
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It's a classic media interested in media story - certainly not warranting of two thirds of the bulletin. If it had been ITV or another form of media it probably would have got a couple of reports max - one explaining what happened and one looking at the reaction.
How did the Panorama programme rate yesterday - The One Show was moved to BBC2 so interesting to see whether the audience followed that over.
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I am as much a fan of the BBC as the next man, but there is some serious hypocrisy going on if people can't recognise what a monumental failing this is for the organisation.
In my opinion we can't really dub something 'just a media story' if we'd be up in arms if another network or organisation had done the same. The whole point of journalism is that it truthfully holds people to account - if trust in the methods of doing that is lost then it is very serious.
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MrUdagawa post_id=13832 time=1621610355 user_id=1184 Wrote:I am as much a fan of the BBC as the next man, but there is some serious hypocrisy going on if people can't recognise what a monumental failing this is for the organisation.
In my opinion we can't really dub something 'just a media story' if we'd be up in arms if another network or organisation had done the same. The whole point of journalism is that it truthfully holds people to account - if trust in the methods of doing that is lost then it is very serious.
I wouldn't be surprised if the News department gets dissolved and a new department created. Such is the way things generally occur at large companies. The department is damaged, let get rid of it and make something else new which does the same thing but isn't the thing that was damaged in the public eye. Obviously there will always be BBC News in the public, but the department which runs it may be taken away and replaced. Something significant has to occur. Not to tarnish the whole of BBC News, this was just part of it which carried out these allgeged acts.
MrUdagawa post_id=13832 time=1621610355 user_id=1184 Wrote:I am as much a fan of the BBC as the next man, but there is some serious hypocrisy going on if people can't recognise what a monumental failing this is for the organisation.
In my opinion we can't really dub something 'just a media story' if we'd be up in arms if another network or organisation had done the same. The whole point of journalism is that it truthfully holds people to account - if trust in the methods of doing that is lost then it is very serious.
It's arguably even worse considering it's a publicly funded organisation. There's no obligation to buy a newspaper, or have a subscription to Sky for instance, but with the BBC you are pretty much obliged to pay for it through a licence. The holier-than-thou BBC should be setting an example to others, in my view.
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