Jeremy Kyle Show: Death on Daytime
#16
There is so much to unpack on this topic, that I think that this thread could become an ungodly long, 50+ page discussion on a lot of things Jeremy Kyle, the treatment of guests, the crappy jobs that young upstarts in the industry get, the notion of reality television, Britain's media obsession with the lower working class, ITV's track record on TV shows and the wellbeing of their participants, the debate over cancel culture, and other related fun stuff.

I am going to boil it all down into this 'hot' take: We love suffering.

The problem we have in media is this obsession with suffering. The idea that other people's problems, trials, tribulations are a form of comfort and entertainment, because they make us feel better about our lives. We all have real world problems: Money, relationships, getting to work on time, our health and wellbeing. Those are things that every person on this thread, and this planet, have to deal with. And we like to see people suffer on television.

Big Brother, in its prime, made entertainment by putting on strange members of the public, from different backgrounds, locking them in a house, and filming the onset of their cabin fever and degrading them. And that show was meant to be a social experiment. I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here sees C-Listers eat testicles in Australian rainforests. TOWIE, Made in Chelsea, and all of the other cookie cutter derivatives script 'real lives' for these attention seekers. Love Island only picks people who look nice, forces them to get into relationships with people who only share stockholm syndrome and lust in common.

And then there was Jeremy Kyle: Where adulterers had their dirty laundry shown on National television, where fathers who did not work were lambasted, where paternity was verified on an A5 piece of card with a logo on the back. There were half brothers who committed accidental incest, families torn apart over missing jewelery, scorned lovers headbutted their friends, where robbery was proven on potentially inaccurate lie detector results. All that and more, criticised by a man who only did it 'because he was being honest, and wanted to help'.

I can believe that there were sweatshop conditions in the production side of the show for getting guests: Who'd want to be ridiculed after a show of 13 years had been airing, almost year round, doing all that?

And I am not holier than thou. I watched it. You probably watched it too! I loved the show, because I loved seeing 'bad' people suffer. To those who suffered, I apologise for watching them be humiliated on television. I don't have to, but I want to. We need to have less suffering on television.

Also, 'Britain Get Talking' is a terrible and cynical initiative.
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#17
There was also a Dispatches special about the show, think it was aired shortly after the JK show was pulled.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/jere.../70191-001
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#18
I watched the documentary on 4oD yesterday. And I will not lie: What Jeremy Kyle done to both the guests and the people of ITV was (in my view) both disturbing, and sickening! Quite frankly, I am disgusted by the fact that a disgraceful level of Disability Discrimination (particularly against those with Mental Health issues) had gone unpunished for so long. I've always said outside of these forums that there was something not right about Jeremy Kyle, I'm so pleased that my gut feeling about him was right. Physically, he literally makes me puke!

IF the man had ANY human decency in his bones, he would have apologise for his abusive behaviour all the time he was on ITV by now.

Just mentioning his name is making me shudder.

Either way, I think ITV were wise to axe the show three years ago.
#19
The second episode seemed padded out to be honest. They could have added the elements about the sweatshop call centre conditions production staff suffered to the first episode.

As for JK himself, I don't think there's much there to ruin his career, the demo for this show know exactly what he's like along with his right-wing opinions, so what we saw of him being rude about guests and another colleague would be expected.

The real story isn't about Kyle, it's about how poor production and welfare issues were brushed aside for commercial gain to fill airtime for a show that filled weekday mornings between Lorraine and This Morning for 14 years which led to the suicide of a participant and the producer who booked Dymond.
#20
Blubatt post_id=73467 time= user_id=1559 Wrote:I am going to boil it all down into this 'hot' take: We love suffering.

The problem we have in media is this obsession with suffering. The idea that other people's problems, trials, tribulations are a form of comfort and entertainment, because they make us feel better about our lives. We all have real world problems: Money, relationships, getting to work on time, our health and wellbeing. Those are things that every person on this thread, and this planet, have to deal with. And we like to see people suffer on television.
I don't think people like to watch people suffer as such, the appeal of JK to those who watched it was more a case of 'thank goodness it's them not me' plus there'll always be an audience for people fighting

However it goes deeper than that, as was mentioned in the second part of the documentary, it was a certain demographic that the programme appealed to, and had as guests. It was part of the demonisation of the working class, in particular the white working class. It helped to enforce the media and political narrative that legitimises cuts to welfare and that the poor 'only have themselves to blame' - they are where the problem in society lies.

It's quite sad considering that it essentially came from the same production company that brought us Coronation Street, which portrayed working class life in a much more positive and realistic way


Quote:Also, 'Britain Get Talking' is a terrible and cynical initiative.
Indeed and I think it would have been dropped a long time ago if it wasn't for covid
#21
Watching the second episode last night, I hadn't realised they recorded the programme in Stuiod D...

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Spencer post_id=73536 time= user_id=891 Wrote:Watching the second episode last night, I hadn't realised they recorded the programme in Stuiod D...

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I was surprised they didn't blank out the phone number. Hopefully the person at the other end didn't take too many calls from angry viewers...


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