About whether losing CBeebies and CBBC from BBC One and Two (Apart from 3 hours of CBBC on BBC Two Saturday morning)
Lowest and Highest rating show in CBeebies top 15 for 3rd -9th January is Bluey with 238,200 and 521,943
Lowest rating show in CBBC 's Top 15 for 3 - 9th January is (with pre transmission included) We Bare Bears with 72,231 and without Andy and The Band with 71,900 and the highest rating show is Ninja Express with 175,027.
news727 post_id=63962 time= user_id=1412 Wrote:Roger Darthwell post_id=63939 time= user_id=1160 Wrote:I'm sorry what's TVmucho?
You could just do a quick Googling and this would come up.
Anyway, back to the topic. This came out yesterday, and now I'm kinda confused.
Mostly as in whether the threats were as genuine as they claimed or not as the article claimed.
Although, I should carefully note that we could roughly say scrapping the fee does have a majority following in the UK. Here's a snapshot of the polls conducted about this idea last 2 years:
1/9/2020 (conducted 29/8/2020, Express): 97% of respondents (9,710 out of 10,120) want it scrapped; 365 don't and 45 don't know.
25/10/2020 (conducted 16-19/10/2020, Comres): 59% supports the fee removal, while 32% don't. Party breakdowns reveal the support being very bipartisan, with the only party having more opponents than proponents being Green. More on this poll here.
Ongoing (conducted from 9/2/2021, Yahoo): 89% of 25,000+ respondents support the idea.
16/4/2021 (conducted 1-2/4/2021):
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/statu...5622352896
Then there are some polls conducted by YouGov about the alternatives to license fee. Still none supported by majority yet; details here.
I may have missed other polls, but this snapshot suggests (well, most of who they polled anyway) there's considerable support for the fee to go. What we can't agree on is what should replace it.
Although some MPs, back in May last year, said the licence-fee model has to be relied on until at least 2038.
From polls that i seen, the combination of licence fee, general taxation, and advertisement, as we seen in many countries, is the most possible method which can be used by the BBC to replace licence fee once and if the licence fee decided to scrapped in 2027 or beyond. But, there are precondition, ads cannot be shown on main television channels such as BBC One, Two, News, Parliament, Alba, and Scotland (if the channel still exist).
In South Korea (KBS), where the licence fee is modelled by the BBC, advertisement are allowed, but they are prohibited to shown the commercials at KBS1 since 1994.
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James2001 post_id=63976 time= user_id=956 Wrote:tellyblues post_id=63970 time= user_id=1333 Wrote:Re. CBeebies and CBBC, a quick look at the schedules and it seems to be all repeats, and from the tiny amount that allow you to see how often they have been aired (wonder why that is?) you find out it's double figures, which is unacceptable. It's also mostly cartoons on CBBC so older kids are hardly catered for.
This really shows that you don't understand the purpose of CBeebies at all.
It doesn't "really show" anything. It's your opinion.
To say that kids don't notice repeats is foolish. They do.
I think it's fair to say the people demanding the BBC close or scale back their minority interest outlets because "they don't use them" or "not many people use them" really shows they don't understand what the BBC's purpose is at all.
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tellyblues post_id=63983 time= user_id=1333 Wrote:James2001 post_id=63976 time= user_id=956 Wrote:tellyblues post_id=63970 time= user_id=1333 Wrote:Re. CBeebies and CBBC, a quick look at the schedules and it seems to be all repeats, and from the tiny amount that allow you to see how often they have been aired (wonder why that is?) you find out it's double figures, which is unacceptable. It's also mostly cartoons on CBBC so older kids are hardly catered for.
This really shows that you don't understand the purpose of CBeebies at all.
It doesn't "really show" anything. It's your opinion.
To say that kids don't notice repeats is foolish. They do. Yeah. Which is why there was 365 episodes of Teletubbies made in the original run. It took a year before you got a repeat.
New show's on this week (Saturday 15th - Friday 21st January) on CBeebies:
Tish Tash - Monday to Friday
School Of Roars - Monday to Friday
This is Me - Monday To Friday
CBeebies Bedtime Story - Friday
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James2001 post_id=63985 time=1642556768 user_id=956 Wrote:I think it's fair to say the people demanding the BBC close or scale back their minority interest outlets because "they don't use them" or "not many people use them" really shows they don't understand what the BBC's purpose is at all.
I agree with you. I'm not suggesting that channels be shut down, just it was perhaps a mistake for the BBC to think that having dedicated channels yet removing particular demographics' presence from the main channels would be without repercussions.
Does anyone know what the oldest show currently being broadcast on CBBC is? I think the oldest on CBeebies is In The Night Garden, might be wrong though.
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Research done when CBBC and CBeebies were first launched was that children, particularly those watching CBeebies, actually liked repeats and found them comforting. My children were quite happy to watch things over and over. If I think back to when I was a nipper - there were only a select number of episodes of all the shows on Childrens TV and it didn’t bother me at all. (13 episodes of Bagpuss, 40 Ivor the Engine, 13 Chock-A-Block, 13 Trumpton, 13 The Flumps). Even programmes like Play School, of which there were many many episodes, featured a far smaller number of Through the Window films, makes, games and songs.
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We mostly stopped watching linear Cbeebies in our house once we got a Fire TV stick, but carried on some of it's shows via iPlayer as well as others elsewhere such as My5. They've absolutely lived on the same programmes over and over again, during lockdown one week it would be every episode of Peter Rabbit on a loop, then Thomas and Friends was flavour of the week the next week. Kids love watching the same thing over and again
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deejay post_id=64003 time= user_id=880 Wrote:Research done when CBBC and CBeebies were first launched was that children, particularly those watching CBeebies, actually liked repeats and found them comforting. My children were quite happy to watch things over and over. If I think back to when I was a nipper - there were only a select number of episodes of all the shows on Childrens TV and it didn’t bother me at all. (13 episodes of Bagpuss, 40 Ivor the Engine, 13 Chock-A-Block, 13 Trumpton, 13 The Flumps). Even programmes like Play School, of which there were many many episodes, featured a far smaller number of Through the Window films, makes, games and songs.
Speaking as someone who actually used to be a child too, this is absolutely the case. I was brought up on the same 13 episodes of Trumpton, Camberwick Green, The Herbs etc. I loved them all, and didn't mind the fact they were repeats, in fact (rather like a booster jab) they consolidated my viewing experience
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CBeebies in particular is an international money spinner for product and service licensing, not sure if it's right for the BBC to make cuts in this area. https://www.toynews-online.biz/2021/05/0...uble-hire/
To be fair, the BBC themselves have never suggested making cuts to CBeebies as far as I'm aware, it's just the various licence fee dissenters who keep saying it should be because they don't use it.
Blubatt post_id=63945 time= user_id=1559 Wrote:...However, since others ARE speculating, I will too. If I was the axe man at the Beeb, the Conservatives remaining in power, and this going ahead, here's what I'd do:
1. Bring back closedowns on BBC One and Two: Reduce the number of hours you'd have to fill with daytime television, which may be cheap to make, but is still costing money. BBC One and BBC Two are free to air, no ads, and no funny business. Heck, maybe even bring children's programming back onto BBCs One and Two as blocks, with CBBC and Cbeebies beind subscription services. More on that in a minute.
This is actually not a bad idea. Closing services like CBeebies, CBBC or BBC 4 etc will affect sections of the audience. Bringing back afternoon, even morning closedowns (whatever that looks like nowadays, News simulcast etc etc), shutting down the channels a bit earlier at night for BBC 1/2 will certainly let people see cuts have consequences. And very little is lost....
May not save much but would demonstrate where we are with funding.
James2001 post_id=63948 time=1642540970 user_id=956 Wrote:Blubatt post_id=63945 time= user_id=1559 Wrote:1. Bring back closedowns on BBC One and Two
You can argue they never really went away. The News channel simulcasts and the BBC2 looped promos (and pages from Ceefax before that) are as good as a closedown really. I doubt either cost much more to show than just showing an off air screen, and certainly cheaper than showing programming, even repeats and imports. You're going to save little to nothing by just shoving a caption or showing a black screen instead of what they do show overnight.
I will personally supply a Pages From Ceefax feed to the BBC overnight if they want one :lol:
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