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Plans for BBC One HD - Orry Verducci - 24-01-2022

Markymark post_id=64762 time= user_id=1078 Wrote:If it is a problem, hopefully it won't be too much of a problem, because who in their right mind will have recorded anything from BBC 1 SD (except perhaps the regional news, for later that day timeshift) ?
The trouble is this affects HD, not SD.

Virgin have replaced the national BBC One HD service with the regional versions. It's also called "BBC ONE HD" and is assigned to channel 108 on the EPG, and it's currently linked to the old national video stream instead of the new regional ones, but as they have different DVB service ID's from the original service the STB's interpret it as being a new different channel.


Plans for BBC One HD - Jamesypoo - 24-01-2022

Orry Verducci post_id=64807 time= user_id=731 Wrote:
Markymark post_id=64762 time= user_id=1078 Wrote:If it is a problem, hopefully it won't be too much of a problem, because who in their right mind will have recorded anything from BBC 1 SD (except perhaps the regional news, for later that day timeshift) ?
The trouble is this affects HD, not SD.

Virgin have replaced the national BBC One HD service with the regional versions. It's also called "BBC ONE HD" and is assigned to channel 108 on the EPG, and it's currently linked to the old national video stream instead of the new regional ones, but as they have different DVB service ID's from the original service the STB's interpret it as being a new different channel.
Quite, I noticed at the weekend that none of my BBC One HD series links were set to record and I've had to go through and set them all up again.

So whilst the channel still appears to be the same BBC One HD, complete with the red screen during regional opts, it seems they have soft launched the different regional channels (albeit currently still broadcasting the usual England-wide service) onto 108, causing all series links to break.

It's only reading this thread I've realised what's happened, there's been no communication from the BBC or Virgin about this as far as I am aware.


Plans for BBC One HD - japitts - 24-01-2022

Jamesypoo post_id=64829 time=1643048262 user_id=828 Wrote:Quite, I noticed at the weekend that none of my BBC One HD series links were set to record and I've had to go through and set them all up again.

So whilst the channel still appears to be the same BBC One HD, complete with the red screen during regional opts, it seems they have soft launched the different regional channels (albeit currently still broadcasting the usual England-wide service) onto 108, causing all series links to break.

Are you on TV360 or TiVo/V6 software? What you've described sounds like TV360 behavour. The TiVo & V6 platform's SL's carried on and shouldn't have been affected by the new channel-IDs.

There were some on-screen announcements and a few posts on the VM forums.


Plans for BBC One HD - Markymark - 24-01-2022

Out of interest what is the current state of play with ITV HD regions on Virgin's platform?


Plans for BBC One HD - CCFG - 24-01-2022

Think they now have most if not all of the regions.


Plans for BBC One HD - Jamesypoo - 24-01-2022

japitts post_id=64848 time= user_id=1385 Wrote:
Jamesypoo post_id=64829 time=1643048262 user_id=828 Wrote:Quite, I noticed at the weekend that none of my BBC One HD series links were set to record and I've had to go through and set them all up again.

So whilst the channel still appears to be the same BBC One HD, complete with the red screen during regional opts, it seems they have soft launched the different regional channels (albeit currently still broadcasting the usual England-wide service) onto 108, causing all series links to break.

Are you on TV360 or TiVo/V6 software? What you've described sounds like TV360 behavour. The TiVo & V6 platform's SL's carried on and shouldn't have been affected by the new channel-IDs.

There were some on-screen announcements and a few posts on the VM forums.
I'm on V6 and all my series links disappeared. I didn't see any on screen messages and others in the house were equally clueless about any changes (not discounting the fact someone may have seen it but not paid attention/understood!) and I don't think I've ever visited the forums.


Plans for BBC One HD - London Lite - 24-01-2022

The change on Virgin for the ITV regions was promoted on the regional news bulletins as they also did for Sky and Freesat.


Plans for BBC One HD - Markymark - 25-01-2022

London Lite post_id=64880 time= user_id=953 Wrote:The change on Virgin for the ITV regions was promoted on the regional news bulletins as they also did for Sky and Freesat.

So basically parity with satellite ? The only two regions missing HD on there are Border-Scotland, and Channel.

(Does Virgin cover any of the towns in Border-Scotland area anyway ?)


Plans for BBC One HD - Pete - 25-01-2022

Jamesypoo post_id=64878 time= user_id=828 Wrote:I'm on V6 and all my series links disappeared. I didn't see any on screen messages and others in the house were equally clueless about any changes (not discounting the fact someone may have seen it but not paid attention/understood!) and I don't think I've ever visited the forums.

The changes in Scotland (which I should add, were apparently by accident after Virgin failed to follow simple instructions and the Nations staff just quit while they were ahead) affected me on a V6 box too. I've not switched to 360 yet, my aunt has it but I don't think she records enough to discover if its an issue (she's only just got the hang of pausing it).


Plans for BBC One HD - Jamesypoo - 25-01-2022

Pete post_id=64926 time= user_id=1045 Wrote:
Jamesypoo post_id=64878 time= user_id=828 Wrote:I'm on V6 and all my series links disappeared. I didn't see any on screen messages and others in the house were equally clueless about any changes (not discounting the fact someone may have seen it but not paid attention/understood!) and I don't think I've ever visited the forums.

The changes in Scotland (which I should add, were apparently by accident after Virgin failed to follow simple instructions and the Nations staff just quit while they were ahead) affected me on a V6 box too. I've not switched to 360 yet, my aunt has it but I don't think she records enough to discover if its an issue (she's only just got the hang of pausing it).
Sorry I should have clarified, I'm on a V6 box but with the TV 360 set up.


Plans for BBC One HD - Orry Verducci - 25-01-2022

Markymark post_id=64924 time= user_id=1078 Wrote:So basically parity with satellite ? The only two regions missing HD on there are Border-Scotland, and Channel.

(Does Virgin cover any of the towns in Border-Scotland area anyway ?)
It's my understanding that the ITV HD regions on Virgin match the regions on Sky. I believe they were switched over shortly after the regions launched on Sky.

To the best of my knowledge Virgin doesn't serve the Border Scotland area, but don't hold me to that.


Plans for BBC One HD - Markymark - 25-01-2022

Orry Verducci post_id=64936 time= user_id=731 Wrote:
Markymark post_id=64924 time= user_id=1078 Wrote:So basically parity with satellite ? The only two regions missing HD on there are Border-Scotland, and Channel.

(Does Virgin cover any of the towns in Border-Scotland area anyway ?)
It's my understanding that the ITV HD regions on Virgin match the regions on Sky. I believe they were switched over shortly after the regions launched on Sky.

To the best of my knowledge Virgin doesn't serve the Border Scotland area, but don't hold me to that.

I'm trying to work out how Virgin source ITV's HD regions. Bear in mind that all the regions and sub-regions exist as native HD playout chains at Chiswick and Leeds, (and have for some time ?) so the 'proper' method would be for Virgin to take them in 'baseband' form directly from there ?
However, it might seem that as the regions only appeared on Virgin around the same time they did on satellite, that they are taken 'off air' ?

It will be interesting to see whether the appropriate native HD BBC regions really do appear on Virgin this week !


Plans for BBC One HD - Pete - 25-01-2022

Jamesypoo post_id=64927 time=1643102552 user_id=828 Wrote:Sorry I should have clarified, I'm on a V6 box but with the TV 360 set up.

ah, i'm on V6 with TiVo


Plans for BBC One HD - i.h - 25-01-2022

Markymark post_id=64938 time=1643108705 user_id=1078 Wrote:
Orry Verducci post_id=64936 time= user_id=731 Wrote:
Markymark post_id=64924 time= user_id=1078 Wrote:So basically parity with satellite ? The only two regions missing HD on there are Border-Scotland, and Channel.

(Does Virgin cover any of the towns in Border-Scotland area anyway ?)
It's my understanding that the ITV HD regions on Virgin match the regions on Sky. I believe they were switched over shortly after the regions launched on Sky.

To the best of my knowledge Virgin doesn't serve the Border Scotland area, but don't hold me to that.

I'm trying to work out how Virgin source ITV's HD regions. Bear in mind that all the regions and sub-regions exist as native HD playout chains at Chiswick and Leeds, (and have for some time ?) so the 'proper' method would be for Virgin to take them in 'baseband' form directly from there ?
However, it might seem that as the regions only appeared on Virgin around the same time they did on satellite, that they are taken 'off air' ?

It will be interesting to see whether the appropriate native HD BBC regions really do appear on Virgin this week !


IIRC Virgin redid their TV distribution architecture about a decade ago, removing the legacy NTL/CW/Telewest differences and the three super headends, centralising everything at Langley and sending everything out as IP to the local headends.There was a very detailed The Register article where they took a tour but I can't find it now.

So, presumably, not that hard at all for Virgin to get feeds from Technicolour or whoever it is now.


Plans for BBC One HD - Mute - 25-01-2022

i.h post_id=65002 time= user_id=1247 Wrote:
Markymark post_id=64938 time=1643108705 user_id=1078 Wrote:
Orry Verducci post_id=64936 time= user_id=731 Wrote:It's my understanding that the ITV HD regions on Virgin match the regions on Sky. I believe they were switched over shortly after the regions launched on Sky.

To the best of my knowledge Virgin doesn't serve the Border Scotland area, but don't hold me to that.

I'm trying to work out how Virgin source ITV's HD regions. Bear in mind that all the regions and sub-regions exist as native HD playout chains at Chiswick and Leeds, (and have for some time ?) so the 'proper' method would be for Virgin to take them in 'baseband' form directly from there ?
However, it might seem that as the regions only appeared on Virgin around the same time they did on satellite, that they are taken 'off air' ?

It will be interesting to see whether the appropriate native HD BBC regions really do appear on Virgin this week !


IIRC Virgin redid their TV distribution architecture about a decade ago, removing the legacy NTL/CW/Telewest differences and the three super headends, centralising everything at Langley and sending everything out as IP to the local headends.There was a very detailed The Register article where they took a tour but I can't find it now.

So, presumably, not that hard at all for Virgin to get feeds from Technicolour or whoever it is now.

The article that The Register did was in 2014, so there's a good chance that many of the details are out of date now.

https://www.theregister.com/2014/08/18/feature_part_one_virgin_media_cable_tv_network_technology_server_to_the_sofa/
https://www.theregister.com/Print/2014/08/22/feature_part_two_virgin_media_cable_tv_network_technology_sofa_to_the_server

My understanding is that most of the HD channels are delivered to Virgin Media by fibre directly from the broadcasters playout facility.