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Plans for BBC One HD - Brekkie - 12-01-2022
Well I think that is partly the idea behind BBC North, although I suspect in reality most non-current affairs shows commissioned for that would end up getting a network airing anyway. Indeed they've kind of been doing it already with an increasing number of opt outs in primetime for BBC North West with a couple of series shown nationwide under the BBC3 brand.
Plans for BBC One HD - denton - 12-01-2022
Steve in Pudsey post_id=62472 time= user_id=942 Wrote:Kunst post_id=62258 time= user_id=1292 Wrote:Indeed, as mentioned before, it was never about the region population size, but about scheduling differences.
And obviously the nations have much more of them, compared to the network
That's a fair assessment, but I do think there is a reasonable question to be asked about why viewers in the nations seem to be getting more value for money for their license fees. Scottish audiences aren't paying more for the BBC Scotland channel for example.
Perhaps if the English Regions were funded to a similar level as equivalently sized nations, they would be able to produce non-news programming too. It does seem that views in the Nations get more bang for their buck.
The Nations are culturally and politically very different from each other and from England, and most network programming does very little to reflect that... which is why Nations' specific programming is needed.
Non-news Nations' specific programming is a tiny percentage of the overall hours of TV broadcast in each Nation... and the programmes they do commission are usually produced on smaller budgets than network programmes.
The vast majority of network programming is produced, filmed, and set in England; featuring English talent, telling stories about English people in English communities.
English people do very well out of the licence fee.
I do think though that certain areas of England dominate the network schedule and feel over represented compared to others. The English midlands, west, southwest, and far north do seem to suffer in comparison to Yorkshire, Greater Manchester, London, the southeast, and especially Essex.
Plans for BBC One HD - Markymark - 12-01-2022
i.h post_id=62877 time= user_id=1247 Wrote:Steve in Pudsey post_id=62472 time= user_id=942 Wrote:Kunst post_id=62258 time= user_id=1292 Wrote:Indeed, as mentioned before, it was never about the region population size, but about scheduling differences.
And obviously the nations have much more of them, compared to the network
That's a fair assessment, but I do think there is a reasonable question to be asked about why viewers in the nations seem to be getting more value for money for their license fees. Scottish audiences aren't paying more for the BBC Scotland channel for example.
Perhaps if the English Regions were funded to a similar level as equivalently sized nations, they would be able to produce non-news programming too. It does seem that views in the Nations get more bang for their buck.
isn't the common counterargument that one BBC region might have multiple local BBC radio stations whereas the BBC nations don't. Whether that adds up I don't know
In a given area in England you still only have a single 'local' radio service serving you* and 'local' news content on BBC 1.
In a nation you have at least one 'local' radio service (Wales and Scotland have two in most areas, albeit one in Welsh or Gaelic) and 'local' news and non news content on two TV channels (three in Scotland and Wales if you include Alba and S4C)
*some pockets of England don't really have any BBC local radio service(off topic from Jan 17th ?)
Plans for BBC One HD - Markymark - 12-01-2022
denton post_id=62897 time= user_id=866 Wrote:The vast majority of network programming is produced, filmed, and set in England; featuring English talent, telling stories about English people in English communities.
English people do very well out of the licence fee.
However, the population of England represents about 80% of the UK's
I haven't been box ticking the nationality of actors and geographical location in recent BBC drama, but does anyone really care that Line of Duty is set in Birmingham? It does however have two of its three lead actors not being English and it was produced in Northern Ireland.
Plans for BBC One HD - Brekkie - 12-01-2022
denton post_id=62897 time= user_id=866 Wrote:Perhaps a question of cause vs effect. The deregionalisation of television, in particularly ITV, means regional differences within England aren't as celebrated as they once were or given the airtime outside of local news, so it a case of the BBC don't need to cater for them because they're not there - or is part of the reason they're not there is because TV doesn't cater to regional audiences in perhaps the way it should.Steve in Pudsey post_id=62472 time= user_id=942 Wrote:Kunst post_id=62258 time= user_id=1292 Wrote:Indeed, as mentioned before, it was never about the region population size, but about scheduling differences.
And obviously the nations have much more of them, compared to the network
That's a fair assessment, but I do think there is a reasonable question to be asked about why viewers in the nations seem to be getting more value for money for their license fees. Scottish audiences aren't paying more for the BBC Scotland channel for example.
Perhaps if the English Regions were funded to a similar level as equivalently sized nations, they would be able to produce non-news programming too. It does seem that views in the Nations get more bang for their buck.
The Nations are culturally and politically very different from each other and from England, and most network programming does very little to reflect that... which is why Nations' specific programming is needed.
Non-news Nations' specific programming is a tiny percentage of the overall hours of TV broadcast in each Nation... and the programmes they do commission are usually produced on smaller budgets than network programmes.
The vast majority of network programming is produced, filmed, and set in England; featuring English talent, telling stories about English people in English communities.
English people do very well out of the licence fee.
I do think though that certain areas of England dominate the network schedule and feel over represented compared to others. The English midlands, west, southwest, and far north do seem to suffer in comparison to Yorkshire, Greater Manchester, London, the southeast, and especially Essex.
Not just a question of regions too - TV is increasingly international now and the line between British and American TV is increasingly blurred for example - arguably to the benefit of both industries, but also possibly to the detriment of reflecting the audience too.
Plans for BBC One HD - Stanley Matravers - 23-01-2022
When we first got confirmation of the "by the end of 2022" timescale for BBC One HD English Regions, I had cynically assumed that there would be little/no progress towards making the regional news programmes etc true native HD (in those regions that weren't already fully HD capable anyway, e.g. Plymouth) ahead of the launch.
I therefore expected that a lot of regions would be shown upscaled for a fair old while yet, until their respective eventual upgrades.
It's a most pleasant surprise what we've been hearing here on TVLF in recent weeks/months about several regions seemingly getting an upgrade in advance of the launch, so that they will be in proper HD on the channel from day 1. Some were worse than others, in terms of low-quality blurry/grainy smudge-o-vision etc which would've doubtless looked even crapper when upscaled to faux-HD.
Even if some regions are indeed initially in upscaled form on the HD channel, it seems that at least the former worst quality regions won't be, and the upgrade to true HD in any few remaining regions will follow pretty swiftly.
Plans for BBC One HD - Inspector Sands - 23-01-2022
Having regional versions of BBC One HD is a different thing to having the regional news produced in HD. They're both happening but aren't connected. If a regional centre isn't HD its output will just be unconverted as any content from an SD has always been.
The main aim really is to get the regional versions of BBC One HD in air and ditch the red slide and the ned to turn over for regional news. If they go on air with SD news then it's not a problem - most of the other content in the channel will be HD
The process has started and as I understand it the HD regions will be arriving in another platform in a few days time (I won't say where as I don't think it's been announced and in case it's been delayed)
Plans for BBC One HD - Joe - 23-01-2022
To be fair I think that is the point that was being made, one doesn’t necessarily mean the other, but the poster has been pleasantly surprised to see both happening in some cases.
Plans for BBC One HD - CCFG - 23-01-2022
The BBC's main priority was to get the nations in HD first because they have lots more regional programming than the English Regions (I should know, lived in Wales until almost 9 years ago). Now I think their main priority is to get the English Regions in HD (even if some regional programming gets transmitted as vaseline-o-vision), then convert the rest of regional studios to HD.
Or the BBC could not do that and wait until all the studios are HD-capable and THEN launch.
Plans for BBC One HD - Mute - 23-01-2022
Inspector Sands post_id=64479 time= user_id=1003 Wrote:The process has started and as I understand it the HD regions will be arriving in another platform in a few days time (I won't say where as I don't think it's been announced and in case it's been delayed)
I'm guessing that this could be Virgin Media. They did some of the technical work to split BBC1 HD into regional versions last week. Currently the new new regional versions of the channel are all carrying the national version so nothing has changed from the viewers perspective apart from breaking series links for anyone with a TV360 box.
I can see that the EPG for BBC1 HD in my area has Points West showing from Wednesday, so could be a sign that it's launching that day. Of course it could just be a mistake in the EPG data. Virgin Media (or their EPG data supplier) have frequently put BBC London News on the EPG for BBC1 HD (which is currently showing for the week after next), but this is the first time I've seen a region other than London being listed.
Plans for BBC One HD - Asa - 23-01-2022
South East Today on mine from Wednesday, so it sounds promising. Presumably that'll switch to 101 with Four moving down to 108, making a nice slot available on 107. Very nice work timing it for Three's launch.
Plans for BBC One HD - Mute - 23-01-2022
I've just seen some posts on other forums saying that there is a pop up message on BBC1SD and BBC4 on TV360 boxes saying BBC1SD will close on Wednesday with BBC1HD moving to 101. There are also changes to BBC4 on Tuesday to prepare it to move to make way for BBC3. The message warns that series links need t be recreated. Nothing on my V6 box, so presumably no impact on series links for anyone on the TiVo platform.
Plans for BBC One HD - CCFG - 23-01-2022
Quite surprised they are being launched on Virgin before iPlayer. Surely iPlayer and/or Freesat/Sky are next?
Plans for BBC One HD - Inspector Sands - 23-01-2022
CCFG post_id=64540 time= user_id=1195 Wrote:Quite surprised they are being launched on Virgin before iPlayer. Surely iPlayer and/or Freesat/Sky are next?Makes sense, getting other platforms like Sky Glass and Virgin to carry them is a lot easier and cheaper than the BBC's own platforms.
Plans for BBC One HD - Markymark - 23-01-2022
Inspector Sands post_id=64567 time= user_id=1003 Wrote:CCFG post_id=64540 time= user_id=1195 Wrote:Quite surprised they are being launched on Virgin before iPlayer. Surely iPlayer and/or Freesat/Sky are next?Makes sense, getting other platforms like Sky Glass and Virgin to carry them is a lot easier and cheaper than the BBC's own platforms.
Yes. Getting the regional versions of BBC 1 HD to Virgin may not be anything more complicated than some SDI feeds from the BBC CCM to wherever Virgin's CCM is.
For Freesat/Sky (satellite) the Beeb have to additionally encode and mux for uplink, provide the uplink, and rent the transponders from Astra
For Freeview the Beeb have to upgrade the PSB 3 code a mux to add a dozen or so extra regional versions .
As they've always said, Freeview/Satellite all the work required, and contractual arrangements are targeted for this coming autumn.