Fanoftv post_id=64103 time=1642625479 user_id=805 Wrote:Except CITV cancelled Scrambled last year, with nothing replacing it and CBBC have recently moved Saturday Mash Up to Glasgow and in a much smaller studio for some reason.
The problem is that kids telly habits have changed - there are so many other things pulling at their attention and there is no way on gods earth the average teenager is going to watch a live Saturday morning Live and Kicking-esq magazine for 3 hours. Not going to happen. The format is dead because the world has moved on.
It’s interesting and slightly off topic but my kids generation (born 2008/10) do not have the relationship with tv broadcasters I did when there were 4 channels. We are seeing right before our eyes the decline of linear tv. They don’t even have their tvs connected to an aerial any more, it’s Disney + , Netflix and YouTube.
James2001 post_id=63013 time= user_id=956 Wrote:Never thought it was the same when kids channels canned the live in-vision presentation. I always liked that,made the channels seem friendly, but it's long gone now for everyone except CBBC and CBeebies. A shame considering the amount of effort that used to be put into it.
How common was it? All I remember growing up were Studio Disney & Nick Alive! - and I didn't even know the name of the latter until I Googled it.
A member of the old forum shared some clips from from TCC:
https://tvforum.uk/tvhome/tcc-vision-continuity-42180
lobster post_id=64105 time= user_id=890 Wrote:Fanoftv post_id=64103 time=1642625479 user_id=805 Wrote:Except CITV cancelled Scrambled last year, with nothing replacing it and CBBC have recently moved Saturday Mash Up to Glasgow and in a much smaller studio for some reason.
The problem is that kids telly habits have changed - there are so many other things pulling at their attention and there is no way on gods earth the average teenager is going to watch a live Saturday morning Live and Kicking-esq magazine for 3 hours. Not going to happen. The format is dead because the world has moved on.
It’s interesting and slightly off topic but my kids generation (born 2008/10) do not have the relationship with tv broadcasters I did when there were 4 channels. We are seeing right before our eyes the decline of linear tv. They don’t even have their tvs connected to an aerial any more, it’s Disney + , Netflix and YouTube.
Because everybody wants hours of cookery shows in the morning now.
TV execs may have moved on but I firmly believe that in the case of Saturday morning TV it's a case that kids of the last couple of generations have been denied the opportunity to have a defining show to call their own rather than it being proven that there is no audience for them and if anything the battle to get kids tuning in live to linear content is probably more of a justification for their revival than an excuse not to bother at all.
It's the sort of show that Netflix couldn't accomodate - but the BBC or ITV could should they take the chance again, and actually running a live show around three or four flagship shows which are then readily available on demand could be the perfect promo in an incredibly crowded market.
From what I’ve seen Saturday Mash Up is a brilliant Saturday morning show, with a lot of features, games and sketches. I don’t understand the reason for it to move to a smaller studio in Glasgow when it started out as an extension of CBBC presentation, I assume it’s either related to budgets or politics.
Probably similar to how the old Saturday morning shows always came from Glasgow in the summer. It probably helps fill a quota.
OboeShoes post_id=64112 time= user_id=2298 Wrote:James2001 post_id=63013 time= user_id=956 Wrote:Never thought it was the same when kids channels canned the live in-vision presentation. I always liked that,made the channels seem friendly, but it's long gone now for everyone except CBBC and CBeebies. A shame considering the amount of effort that used to be put into it.
How common was it? All I remember growing up were Studio Disney & Nick Alive! - and I didn't even know the name of the latter until I Googled it
In-vision continuity was very common for both the 80s and 90s versions of CBBC and CITV, the former from 1985 and the Broom Cupboard, the latter from 1987 in Birmingham. CITV scrapped the whole in-vsion thing in 1993, then bought it back in 1998 and scrapped it again in (I think) 2005 (along with the strand on the main channel) and AFAIK the CITV Channel has never had in-vision... well anything..
But that aside, it was quite prolific. Nickelodeon were doing it, Disney channel did it, TCC as previously mentioned were doing it... Even the likes of Challenge TV had in-vision continuity so it wasn't totally unique to kids channels, but a lot of them had it as it added something to the presentation.
But of course the new millennium rolled around and all that went out the window if it hadn't done so already by that point, leaving the last bastion of it on CBBC and CBeebies as mentioned by [mention]James2001[/mention] . It is actually a dying thing, because its expensive to do - camera, sound, lights, script, studio, talent... You can see why it died out, and a pre-recorded piece of VT and maybe a voice over is significantly cheaper. CBBC probably hangs onto it because its a legacy and they've always done it that way in the key after 3pm slot, and CBeebies is pre-recorded.
Well I do know that Pop is the number one commercial kids channel in the UK. I don’t know how many viewers they get though. Pop’s content seems good, even after they moved to Narrative. New shows and episodes included regularly too, like in October, there was Bakugan: Geogan Rising, November, there was also Rainbow Butterfly Unicorn Kitty. Of course we can’t forget the recent new episodes, like series 5 of Alvin, the final series of Total Dramarama, new episodes of Pokémon Master Journeys, new episodes of Power Players and most of all, airing 31st January, a returning show coming to Pop airing a new series, Series 2 of Nate is Late. I think the content is what makes the channel get so ‘Pop’ular. :lol:
TVGuy post_id=64138 time= user_id=1088 Wrote:Well I do know that Pop is the number one commercial kids channel in the UK. I don’t know how many viewers they get though. Pop’s content seems good, even after they moved to Narrative. New shows and episodes included regularly too, like in October, there was Bakugan: Geogan Rising, November, there was also Rainbow Butterfly Unicorn Kitty. Of course we can’t forget the recent new episodes, like series 5 of Alvin, the final series of Total Dramarama, new episodes of Pokémon Master Journeys, new episodes of Power Players and most of all, airing 31st January, a returning show coming to Pop airing a new series, Series 2 of Nate is Late. I think the content is what makes the channel get so ‘Pop’ular. :lol:
Crazy to think a channel like POP who otherwise just repeated DiC cartoons and ran on a strong shoestring budget could end up being a more popular commercial children's brand.
JetixFann450 post_id=64152 time= user_id=1047 Wrote:Crazy to think a channel like POP who otherwise just repeated DiC cartoons and ran on a strong shoestring budget could end up being a more popular commercial children's brand.
They had a good strategy, they made use of free-to-air broadcasting and saw gradual growth over an extended period of time, eventually buying better and newer shows and expanding their coverage to include Freeview. Sony's ownership (until it was recently sold off) was also a contributing factor in improving the channel. POP will celebrate its 20th Anniversary in October.
Yeah, the fact they're on Freeview where the only competition is CITV and CBBC probably helps.
JetixFann450 post_id=64152 time= user_id=1047 Wrote:Crazy to think a channel like POP who otherwise just repeated DiC cartoons and ran on a strong shoestring budget could end up being a more popular commercial children's brand.
I admit I preferred the channel in those days!
RegularCapital post_id=64154 time= user_id=995 Wrote:JetixFann450 post_id=64152 time= user_id=1047 Wrote:Crazy to think a channel like POP who otherwise just repeated DiC cartoons and ran on a strong shoestring budget could end up being a more popular commercial children's brand.
They had a good strategy, they made use of free-to-air broadcasting and saw gradual growth over an extended period of time, eventually buying better and newer shows and expanding their coverage to include Freeview. Sony's ownership (until it was recently sold off) was also a contributing factor in improving the channel. POP will celebrate its 20th Anniversary in October.
I Believe Alvin and the chipmunks is the only show that has been on the channel this long, the Show is apparently pulling in good numbers which i think is why when they bring in new episodes they Air it at around 4pm when kids are home from School. I do think they have done a good job in general to get the channel to where it is now, adding it to freeview was probably the best thing they had done in recent times.
It's easy to win over the corpse that is CITV
Kunst post_id=64208 time= user_id=1292 Wrote:It's easy to win over the corpse that is CITV
Whilst it still has some new programmes such as How and Don’t Unleash the Beast, it is such a shame to see a brand that flourished for years, especially in the late 90s - early 00s be in the place that it is now.
As expensive as IVC is, it gets the channel talked about, hyped up the programmes and adds a level of interactivity for the viewer.
Brekkie post_id=64114 time= user_id=976 Wrote:TV execs may have moved on but I firmly believe that in the case of Saturday morning TV it's a case that kids of the last couple of generations have been denied the opportunity to have a defining show to call their own rather than it being proven that there is no audience for them and if anything the battle to get kids tuning in live to linear content is probably more of a justification for their revival than an excuse not to bother at all.
It doesn’t sound like you have or know many children in the 11-16 demographic?
Honestly, if you are talking to digital native children born in the last decade, they are not watching linear, and they definitely ain’t watching a Saturday morning magazine programme with cartoons, phone-ins and bands miming their latest single. They haven’t been denied an opportunity to have a defining Saturday morning tv show, they don’t want it and wouldn’t watch it. All the stuff we used to watch as kids, newsround, Blue Peter, camp puppet sidekicks, they have all been scaled back.
TV execs know this, they know the generation coming up, unlike all previous generations before them, were born into a world with instant on demand entertainment they control, they can take anywhere, content that has been algorithmically curated just for them. They aren’t attracted to the plodding schedule of linear tv that for them is made up more stuff they aren’t interested in than are, that they can’t swipe away if they are bored of it - and that’s the same reason they aren’t watching Saturday morning magazine shows.