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The Digital Switchover Thread - Cassia Tuna - 26-04-2021
VMPhil post_id=9091 time=1619440327 user_id=1043 Wrote:Cassia Tuna post_id=9084 time=1619438092 user_id=1506 Wrote:You said "DAB radio uptake has been a disaster" which I was disputing. Sound quality is another matter but it’s been successful despite that because most people don’t care, especially on mono kitchen sets.VMPhil post_id=9078 time=1619437291 user_id=1043 Wrote:A disaster?! DAB has been very successful particularly since the explosion of stations and the launch of a second multiplex in the past five years. Not to mention small scale DAB.
The vast majority of cars come with it as standard now.
Did you even watch the video? As Techmoan explains this "explosion of stations" is part of the problem, as more stations are being squeezed into the spectrum thus lowering the overall quality, instead of providing just a few but high quality sounding stations. I mean, who really wants to listen to Jazz FM at 32/kbps?
I said "a bit of a disaster" not "DAB radio uptake has been a disaster". If you're going to quote me, then at least do so accurately.
The Digital Switchover Thread - DJGM1974 - 26-04-2021
Cassia Tuna post_id=9084 time=1619438092 user_id=1506 Wrote:I mean, who really wants to listen to Jazz FM at 32/kbps?To be fair, who really wants to listen to any music station at 32Kbps. Regardless of the music being played, It's going to sound ... shizzle.
The Digital Switchover Thread - Rick - 26-04-2021
I enjoyed Channel 4's switchover promos, featuring Max Headroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0H_7aRbAC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X18e113BRKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRtjEfw-mSE
The Digital Switchover Thread - VMPhil - 26-04-2021
Cassia Tuna post_id=9095 time=1619440666 user_id=1506 Wrote:OK, I have changed my post to reflect your accurate quote. But my point still stands.VMPhil post_id=9091 time=1619440327 user_id=1043 Wrote:Cassia Tuna post_id=9084 time=1619438092 user_id=1506 Wrote:Did you even watch the video? As Techmoan explains this "explosion of stations" is part of the problem, as more stations are being squeezed into the spectrum thus lowering the overall quality, instead of providing just a few but high quality sounding stations. I mean, who really wants to listen to Jazz FM at 32/kbps?You said "DAB radio uptake has been a disaster" which I was disputing. Sound quality is another matter but it’s been successful despite that because most people don’t care, especially on mono kitchen sets.
I said "a bit of a disaster" not "DAB radio uptake has been a disaster". If you're going to quote me, then at least do so accurately.
The Digital Switchover Thread - Cassia Tuna - 26-04-2021
DJGM1974 post_id=9097 time=1619440821 user_id=1069 Wrote:Cassia Tuna post_id=9084 time=1619438092 user_id=1506 Wrote:I mean, who really wants to listen to Jazz FM at 32/kbps?To be fair, who really wants to listen to any music station at 32Kbps. Regardless of the music being played, It's going to sound ... shizzle.
Right, so why even bother? Might as well have fewer stations but higher quality ones surely?
The Digital Switchover Thread - Cassia Tuna - 26-04-2021
Markymark post_id=9086 time=1619438906 user_id=1078 Wrote:Cassia Tuna post_id=9084 time=1619438092 user_id=1506 Wrote:VMPhil post_id=9078 time=1619437291 user_id=1043 Wrote:A disaster?! DAB has been very successful particularly since the explosion of stations and the launch of a second multiplex in the past five years. Not to mention small scale DAB.
The vast majority of cars come with it as standard now.
Did you even watch the video? As Techmoan explains this "explosion of stations" is part of the problem, as more stations are being squeezed into the spectrum thus lowering the overall quality, instead of providing just a few but high quality sounding stations. I mean, who really wants to listen to Jazz FM at 32/kbps?
I do as I matter of fact. I'm too busy driving my car to worry about the less than perfect sound quality. It does the job
Your car must have some really terrible speakers, then.
The Digital Switchover Thread - Steve Williams - 26-04-2021
James Martin post_id=9012 time=1619381010 user_id=872 Wrote:Adoption was quick, especially after the ITV Digital disaster.
It took 14 years to launch digital and turn analogue off. Compared to the fight radio has had to make DAB happen (not to mention the huge sums of money it sucked out of programming budgets) that's pretty impressive.
This is very true, actually, and I sometimes wonder if ITV Digital flopping actually helped it. I know when it went pop that the first non-subscription boxes were becoming available, like the PACE one, but for the first few years, I think for the vast majority of the audience, in their mind digital TV = pay TV, because the two most prominent platforms by miles had a subscription element, and if that had carried on, there would surely have been plenty of people who simply saw it as a pay platform giving them channels they didn't want, and didn't care about any of the other benefits regarding picture quality and the like, and they would have surely stuck with analogue for much longer. There presumably wouldn't have been as much promotion for the non-subscription element of digital TV, at least.
In a way you could argue that ON/ITV Digital was always doomed to failure, in that people who wanted loads of channels had already long signed up to Sky, and most other people were happy with what they had, so what you were left with was a system like Sky but not as good, only really of interest to a tiny minority of people who wanted more channels but couldn't get a Sky dish or cable.
Actually I stuck with analogue for an embarrassingly long time, I first got multichannel with Freeview when I was still living with my parents in 2002, and then got NTL, as was, when I moved into my own house in 2004 - but I didn't get a PVR until 2011, so up until then I was still recording stuff off digital TV via VHS, and if I was away and wanted to record a couple of things, I would still record off analogue. And I still had an analogue TV in the bedroom until a few months before switchoff.
The Digital Switchover Thread - Cassia Tuna - 26-04-2021
bilky asko post_id=9103 time=1619441357 user_id=973 Wrote:Cassia Tuna post_id=9095 time=1619440666 user_id=1506 Wrote:I said "a bit of a disaster" not "DAB radio uptake has been a disaster". If you're going to quote me, then at least do so accurately.
Cassia Tuna post_id=9073 time=1619435119 user_id=1506 Wrote:DAB radio uptake in the UK has been a bit of a disaster
It's neither been a disaster nor a bit of a disaster. Digital listening makes up the majority of radio listening, and 41% of all listening is on DAB. 94% of new cars are factory fitted with DAB radios and will be 100% after a change in the law.
I stand corrected. Clearly I'm not as interested in this subject as you are, and I was basing my information on Techmoan's video which is a couple of years old now. Nevertheless, my point about audio quality still stands.
The Digital Switchover Thread - Markymark - 26-04-2021
Cassia Tuna post_id=9101 time=1619441134 user_id=1506 Wrote:Markymark post_id=9086 time=1619438906 user_id=1078 Wrote:Cassia Tuna post_id=9084 time=1619438092 user_id=1506 Wrote:Did you even watch the video? As Techmoan explains this "explosion of stations" is part of the problem, as more stations are being squeezed into the spectrum thus lowering the overall quality, instead of providing just a few but high quality sounding stations. I mean, who really wants to listen to Jazz FM at 32/kbps?
I do as I matter of fact. I'm too busy driving my car to worry about the less than perfect sound quality. It does the job
Your car must have some really terrible speakers, then.
No, it doesn't. I can hear the short comings perfectly well thanks, and I'd like it to sound better, but my desire to listen to Jazz FM in the car, is stronger than 'making do' with other stations that have better quality, but are not my cup of tea (for either music, or quality of DJ drivel) . And that's the point, there is far more choice now. I remember the days when there were only five or six services (all at 256k) on a single mux. No one was interested in buying a DAB receiver for just that.
Don't get me wrong, in the 1970s I had an expensive FM Tuner, Amp, and speakers. The transmitted quality of FM radio was superb, that's taken a downturn anyway, even for Radio 3. Times change, and life gets short....
The Digital Switchover Thread - James Martin - 26-04-2021
My main issue with DAB is how expensive it is to be on the platform. It's taken huge amounts of money out of the system, especially with programming, which is why the major groups were desperate to make takeup happen. But the result is the co-location and networking because it's next to impossible to run a standalone local station profitably.
The Digital Switchover Thread - Keith - 26-04-2021
I wonder if a related issue is that some devices can only receive DAB and not 'DAB+'. From quick reading I get the impression it could be compared to DVB-T and DVB-T2 in terms of quality and older devices not supporting the newer format/signal.
The Digital Switchover Thread - Markymark - 26-04-2021
Keith post_id=9128 time=1619450384 user_id=1115 Wrote:I wonder if a related issue is that some devices can only receive DAB and not 'DAB+'. From quick reading I get the impression it could be compared to DVB-T and DVB-T2 in terms of quality and older devices not supporting the newer format/signal.
DAB+ is a more efficient coding system, so that's why you see incredibly low bit rates used DAB+ stations. Without starting any arguments, you can broadly halve the bit rate for a vanilla DAB mono station, for its equivalent DAB+ quality station.
It's not quite the same as comparing DVB T2 with T, because you can mix up DAB and DAB+ stations within the same mux. The downside is most DAB only radios will still tune to and indicate DAB+ stations, but confusingly for the non technical they just output silence
The Digital Switchover Thread - XIII - 26-04-2021
I'm surprised people still buy DAB radios given how cheap smart speakers are although I suppose they're useful for places like the bathroom
The Digital Switchover Thread - Markymark - 26-04-2021
XIII post_id=9132 time=1619451736 user_id=894 Wrote:I'm surprised people still buy DAB radios given how cheap smart speakers are although I suppose they're useful for places like the bathroom
For 'Steam Radio' 8-)?
The Digital Switchover Thread - wonkey_monkey - 26-04-2021
Cassia Tuna post_id=9005 time=1619376955 user_id=1506 Wrote:Speaking of digital TV, does anyone remember this disturbing promotion for Freeview [floating heads] that was eventually banned?
It might have been taken off air a bit earlier than planned because of the negative reaction, but I don't think it was actually banned.