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BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Keith - 27-01-2022
At risk of delving into the realms of fantasy schedules looking at the spend v RAJAR figures 1 Xtra and Asian Network. As of 2020-21 1Xtra had a £8m spend but only 2% reach in 2021 Q3, whilst Asian Network had £7m spend and only 1% reach. For comparison Radio 4 extra had only a £3m spend but a 4% reach.
I suspect any outright closure of either station would be met with public and political resistance. However I'd suggest there's a case for reducing the budget if they're unable to increase reach, even if the savings are relatively small. One possible way for 1Xtra would be to make the schedule more automated/presenter-less as online stations 1 Dance and 1 Relax appear to be. For Asian Network they could consider renaming it '1 Asian' to bring it under the radio 1 branding, and potentially also a weekly programme on Radio 2 or local radio to reach non-digital listeners.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Brekkie - 27-01-2022
The thing with 1Xtra and Asian Network though it is about who they reach, not how many. If they're reaching people their other channels don't then they're arguably doing their job. Radio 4 Extra may have the wider reach, but it's probably largely an audience already well served by BBC Radio.
P.S. What is the situation with CBeebies Radio - is it just on Sounds or is it also on DAB? Does it have strands on R4 Extra?
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - RR - 27-01-2022
tellyblues post_id=65320 time= user_id=1333 Wrote:Whilst it is the Daily Mail, a mistake I picked up in their article is that CBBC is supposedly aimed at ages 7-12. I thought it was 6-17?The most recent annual report has it as 6 - 12 year olds. https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/reports/annualreport/2020-21.pdf
There doesn't seem to be much on for the higher end of that age group and reports from BARB indicate that a large amount of viewing happens in the morning, so there is an argument that CBBC doesn't do enough after school.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Ash101 - 27-01-2022
Brekkie post_id=65362 time= user_id=976 Wrote:P.S. What is the situation with CBeebies Radio - is it just on Sounds or is it also on DAB? Does it have strands on R4 Extra?
Yeah it’s just on BBC Sounds.
Anyone know how they get away with putting together that schedule without the need for any of it to be broadcast on a traditional station? Whereas both 1 Dance & 1 Relax are just streams repeating hour blocks broadcast on Radio 1.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - tellyblues - 28-01-2022
RR post_id=65441 time= user_id=827 Wrote:tellyblues post_id=65320 time= user_id=1333 Wrote:Whilst it is the Daily Mail, a mistake I picked up in their article is that CBBC is supposedly aimed at ages 7-12. I thought it was 6-17?The most recent annual report has it as 6 - 12 year olds. https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/reports/annualreport/2020-21.pdf
There doesn't seem to be much on for the higher end of that age group and reports from BARB indicate that a large amount of viewing happens in the morning, so there is an argument that CBBC doesn't do enough after school.
Well, it's a tad hypocritical of the BBC to talk about younger people not watching TV when they don't provide content for every age up until 16 (BBC3's starting limit). If they commissioned shows which weren't popular then that's a different thing but choosing to exclude certain viewers is wrong.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Robert Williams - 28-01-2022
tellyblues post_id=65481 time= user_id=1333 Wrote:RR post_id=65441 time= user_id=827 Wrote:tellyblues post_id=65320 time= user_id=1333 Wrote:Whilst it is the Daily Mail, a mistake I picked up in their article is that CBBC is supposedly aimed at ages 7-12. I thought it was 6-17?The most recent annual report has it as 6 - 12 year olds. https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/reports/annualreport/2020-21.pdf
There doesn't seem to be much on for the higher end of that age group and reports from BARB indicate that a large amount of viewing happens in the morning, so there is an argument that CBBC doesn't do enough after school.
Well, it's a tad hypocritical of the BBC to talk about younger people not watching TV when they don't provide content for every age up until 16 (BBC3's starting limit). If they commissioned shows which weren't popular then that's a different thing but choosing to exclude certain viewers is wrong.
In 2018 the BBC did announce a range of new content aimed at 13-15 year olds, bridging that gap between CBBC and BBC Three, available on iPlayer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/teen-content
Whether this was a one-off, or whether this type of programming is still being produced, is hard to tell, with it being buried within the depths of iPlayer with no branded zone or category for teens, making it virtually impossible to find.
The 7-9pm slot on BBC Three would have seemed to be a logical place to give this type of content greater prominence, especially it was initially touted as being a 'teen zone', but it seems they would rather go with repeats of Top Gear and Race Across the World instead.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Keith - 11-02-2022
For anyone interested the BBC has published a copy of their letter to the secretary of state in response to the licence fee settlement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/statements/licence-fee-settlement-letter-to-dcms
Probably worth noting from this letter is...
Quote:However, as a direct result of this settlement, increasing inflation and ever rising media super-inflation, and as we have indicated, this will lead to a reduction in content and our services which will impact our audiences....and...
Quote:We need to discuss the impact on the World Service with you and the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office, particularly around the need for more Government investment to protect language services given the reduction of the licence fee in real terms means some really tough choices.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Brekkie - 03-03-2022
That last comment really comes into focus today with the Culture Secretary actually getting emotional in her praise in the Commons today for the work of BBC journalists out in Ukraine.
RE: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - CantGetIn - 28-04-2022
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nadine-dorries-my-vision-for-the-bbc
Quote:Nadine Dorries: My vision for the BBC
Expect more debate to follow as Dorries sets out her vision for funding the BBC. Its licence fee model, she says, is ‘completely outdated’. ‘We are going to very soon announce that we are going to be looking very seriously about how we fund the BBC,’ she says. Decisions, she says, will be taken ‘well ahead of the [BBC] Charter renewal in 2027’.
‘We are ready to implement a new way of funding the BBC,’ she says. ‘We’re going to be looking at how Ofcom hold the BBC to account and then very shortly after that we will be announcing other measures that we are going to put into place to start looking at how the BBC will be funded in the future so that we are well in time to have that in place for the Charter renewal.’ After her decision to privatise Channel 4, she is keen to keep up momentum.
It would appear on the surface at least that there will be some kind of announcement this year about the future of the BBC as we know it. Intresting times and I am curious what they will propose.
RE: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - telebox2001 - 28-04-2022
The Government white paper is very interesting.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/up-next-the-governments-vision-for-the-broadcasting-sector
Some interesting points, both for the BBC and Channel 4.
Several times, I notice that the text raises concern with the BBC's impartiality. I won't offer any further comment to that as I'm sure many will be able to draw their own, personal, conclusions - namely that either they'll agree with it, or feel the Government are exacting a revenge of some kind.
Personally I'm concerned that allowing advertising on the BBC will thin out the already thin cake. This will have a detrimental affect on every other commercial channel as advertisers switch their spending to advertising on the BBC. For example, Strictly could completely wipe out the value of the inventory on ITV, C4 and C5.
One option might be to allow advertising between programme junctions but not during programmes themselves. But that advertising spend will still come at the expense of the existing commercial outlets.
I wonder if the way forward might be rather than having a television license, instead have a levy tacked on to the purchase of anything that can access BBC services - computer, mobile, tablet, radio, smart speaker etc... even taking radio out of the picture (which one can legally access without paying a license fee) it's not just televisions that can access BBC TV anymore, and I believe any future funding model needs to reflect that.
RE: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - JosiahStuart - 29-04-2022
(28-04-2022, 11:29 PM)telebox2001 Wrote: One option might be to allow advertising between programme junctions but not during programmes themselves. But that advertising spend will still come at the expense of the existing commercial outlets.
NPO through STER, they only show commercials in-between programmes.
Besides, I keep thinking that the Beeb could have the government switch the funding from licence fee to income tax (like NRK and SVT); or member-supported like PBS & NPR.
RE: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - London Lite - 29-04-2022
Depending on the show and the time, France Télévisions use a mix of ad scheduling between shows and in a couple of cases, especially during quiz shows scheduled in daytime, they have a commercial break. However they're banned from scheduling commercial breaks during shows after 9pm local time to protect the ad revenue of the commercial channels during the most watched period of the day. Sponsorship of programmes is allowed however.
This could be a model for a ad funded BBC in the future which allows for off-peak advertising, but not during prime-time. You may end up with the likes of The One Show and EastEnders gaining sponsors, but they wouldn't have commercial breaks.
RE: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - cityprod - 29-04-2022
I suspect there will be multiple different funding methods for the various different stations, both TV and Radio.
BBC's 1, 2, 3 & 4 will all have "corporate underwriters" aka sponsors for their programmes. Daytime BBC1 & BBC2, along with BBC3 may also have limited commercials. somewhere in the range of 4-6 minutes an hour.
BBC News and CBBC will probably just have limited advertising, again no more than 6 minutes an hour. CBeebies is the weird one there, with maybe corporate underwriting and less advertising.
BBC national radio will probably be mostly sponsors and advertising, although Radios 3 & 4 may not have advertising and just "corporate underwriters" BBC Local Radio will have to focus on local sponsorship & advertising from local businesses, and won't be allowed to take national sponsors or adverts. The National Regions, will probably end up with similar restrictions to BBC Local Radio.
RE: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - AndrewP - 30-04-2022
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RE: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - thomalex - 30-04-2022
(29-04-2022, 05:18 PM)cityprod Wrote: I suspect there will be multiple different funding methods for the various different stations, both TV and Radio.
BBC's 1, 2, 3 & 4 will all have "corporate underwriters" aka sponsors for their programmes. Daytime BBC1 & BBC2, along with BBC3 may also have limited commercials. somewhere in the range of 4-6 minutes an hour.
BBC News and CBBC will probably just have limited advertising, again no more than 6 minutes an hour. CBeebies is the weird one there, with maybe corporate underwriting and less advertising.
BBC national radio will probably be mostly sponsors and advertising, although Radios 3 & 4 may not have advertising and just "corporate underwriters" BBC Local Radio will have to focus on local sponsorship & advertising from local businesses, and won't be allowed to take national sponsors or adverts. The National Regions, will probably end up with similar restrictions to BBC Local Radio.
I'm sorry but this sounds horrible