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ITV News - cityprod - 23-06-2021

Joe post_id=23480 time= user_id=1035 Wrote:I don't see why it needs branding beyond 'ITV News'. I don't think anybody really cares what it's called. I honestly believe that, aside from 'News at Ten' and the terms 'Six O'Clock News' etc (which aren't even officially used by the BBC), nobody really twigs the name of the bulletin they're watching.

I don't disagree that different bulletins can have different formats and that viewers can pick up on these (unconsciously or otherwise). For instance, I reckon a viewer recognises that BBC News at Ten is more prestigious and in depth than the lunchtime edition. But I don't reckon that there's a need to plop a 'Late News' name on top of things for the sake of it. I think people take in the overall network more than they do any particular strand.

There's a lot of worrying here about what bulletins and programmes are called, but I don't feel like most people in their living rooms really register it.

Programme branding is just as important as channel branding. Especially for news.

"News at Ten" is such an iconic brand, that now 3 news broadcasters use it. The BBC; ITV, who were the originators; and Sky News. Back when news programmes had individual looks, it was easy to tell that you were watching the News at 5:45, or the News at One, or the News at Ten, because the look defined them, as much as the content did.

Since they focused on corporatising the news look, so that everything has the same or similar looks, it's harder to tell, but I do think that people do know which programme they're watching.


ITV News - CameronYoung - 23-06-2021

JakeTVFan post_id=23494 time= user_id=1454 Wrote:They will probably use them Thursday too, as its on at 22:35
I kind of hope this does set a precedent - I've seen the NAT titles on a bulletin that started at 11, which was quite ridiculous.


ITV News - Brekkie - 23-06-2021

Gut feeling would be they were played by mistake given the numerous times they haven't been used when News at Ten airs later, which seems to have increased again over the last year noteably with the Friday edition more often than not at 10.20pm and IMO it's happening more often than not during the week. Not sure if they are committed to an average of 3 or 4 episodes a week airing at 10pm across the year - if it's the later they'll certainly have to air it more frequently at 10pm later in the year.

Although I agree News at Ten is now more about the brand than the time it airs considering we're increasingly seeing shows with updateable aspects of their titles though you'd think it would be something they'd look at for ITV News in their next revamp, especially as the "live" clockface is used within the virtual set for News at Ten. Indeed didn't the original flythrough titles in the 80s include the clock showing the correct time if it aired later, something the recreation 20 years on couldn't manage?


ITV News - CameronYoung - 23-06-2021

Brekkie post_id=23507 time= user_id=976 Wrote:Indeed didn't the original flythrough titles in the 80s include the clock showing the correct time if it aired later?
Yes; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKJE0uOubVg


ITV News - Frances - 23-06-2021

JakeTVFan post_id=23496 time= user_id=1454 Wrote:Unknown about the 10:20 Bulletins though, as the clock hands do show 10:30, but these titles couldn't of been accidental, as they used the normal watermark during the headlines.
The title is not new - first used in February 2017 because the NaT moved to 2230 and The Nightly Show was at 10 for eight weeks. And there was a normal ITV News DOG during the headline sequence too.

Even the bulletin began earlier at 10pm on 22 March 2017 due to the attack in Westminster, they still used the ITV News at (half past) Ten title.

So I guess they just mistakenly used another existing title.


ITV News - CameronYoung - 23-06-2021

It wouldn't surprise me if the DOG for the headlines is tied to the titles.


ITV News - JakeTVFan - 24-06-2021

Frances post_id=23531 time= user_id=1084 Wrote:
JakeTVFan post_id=23496 time= user_id=1454 Wrote:Unknown about the 10:20 Bulletins though, as the clock hands do show 10:30, but these titles couldn't of been accidental, as they used the normal watermark during the headlines.
The title is not new - first used in February 2017 because the NaT moved to 2230 and The Nightly Show was at 10 for eight weeks. And there was a normal ITV News DOG during the headline sequence too.

Even the bulletin began earlier at 10pm on 22 March 2017 due to the attack in Westminster, they still used the ITV News at (half past) Ten title.

So I guess they just mistakenly used another existing title.



I Know they aren't new, but they can't accidentally use the wrong titles... besides i already said they used the Normal watermark during the headlines, and you repeated it lmao


ITV News - JakeTVFan - 24-06-2021

CameronYoung post_id=23504 time= user_id=1509 Wrote:
JakeTVFan post_id=23494 time= user_id=1454 Wrote:They will probably use them Thursday too, as its on at 22:35
I kind of hope this does set a precedent - I've seen the NAT titles on a bulletin that started at 11, which was quite ridiculous.

yes, or they just put it on the Late News, ITV News mainly wants NAT Or NAT 30 After winning the RTS Award


ITV News - Frances - 24-06-2021

JakeTVFan post_id=23702 time= user_id=1454 Wrote:
Frances post_id=23531 time= user_id=1084 Wrote:
JakeTVFan post_id=23496 time= user_id=1454 Wrote:Unknown about the 10:20 Bulletins though, as the clock hands do show 10:30, but these titles couldn't of been accidental, as they used the normal watermark during the headlines.
The title is not new - first used in February 2017 because the NaT moved to 2230 and The Nightly Show was at 10 for eight weeks. And there was a normal ITV News DOG during the headline sequence too.

Even the bulletin began earlier at 10pm on 22 March 2017 due to the attack in Westminster, they still used the ITV News at (half past) Ten title.

So I guess they just mistakenly used another existing title.



I Know they aren't new, but they can't accidentally use the wrong titles... besides i already said they used the Normal watermark during the headlines, and you repeated it lmao
I was just guessing the DOG during headlines was packaged with the intro. Lots of broadcasters accidentally used the abandoned packaged before, the BBC did, ITV did, NBC in the US did…

And I think you should read the forum rules once again.


ITV News - RDJ - 24-06-2021

Normal News at Ten titles being used tonight despite the news being on at 10.35.

So Tuesday must have just been a blip.


ITV News - JakeTVFan - 24-06-2021

Wow!, never thought they can 'accidentally' use them titles..


ITV News - JakeTVFan - 24-06-2021

Not Happy though! should use them 10:30 ones.


ITV News - CameronYoung - 24-06-2021

Strictly speaking, neither would be correct for a bulletin starting at 2235, so i suppose they technically should use the generic late titles used at weekends? Then again, it's all about the branding. News at Ten is very different from the other bulletins on the channel.


ITV News - JakeTVFan - 24-06-2021

CameronYoung post_id=23780 time= user_id=1509 Wrote:Strictly speaking, neither would be correct for a bulletin starting at 2235, so i suppose they technically should use the generic late titles used at weekends? Then again, it's all about the branding. News at Ten is very different from the other bulletins on the channel.


the only time they use the late generic titles on weekday is if the bulletin is 11pm, but no, last time they used the News at TEN Brand at 11pm, i bet its because they won the RTS Award on NAT... ITV News makes no sense


ITV News - Brekkie - 24-06-2021

They should just number the studio as Studio Ten and then it can always technically be the News at Ten.

Really though we're used to it now and it's nowhere near as annoying as the practice in America, where it would be for example the "ITV News at Ten with Tom Bradby... Tom Bradby is away tonight, I'm Rageh Omar".