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BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - peterrocket - 18-01-2022
Jon post_id=63881 time= user_id=1050 Wrote:Surely a backlash against potential closures is what the BBC need? I would suggest the best way to fight against any cuts of public funding they get, would be announce the planned closure of Radio 2 and BBC Two along with the axing of Strictly.
I think the issue is that the BBC can't really trim back anymore without having to go down the route of deep cuts or closures. Yes you can drop a producer here, a journalist there - but realistically the days of salami slicing are probably long gone.
One suggestion I'd heard floating about was to basically do a GB News and replace 5Live with the News Channel. Obviously a lot of work would be needed, but it's not entirely outside the realms of possibility.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - news727 - 18-01-2022
peterrocket post_id=63882 time= user_id=1179 Wrote:One suggestion I'd heard floating about was to basically do a GB News and replace 5Live with the News Channel. Obviously a lot of work would be needed, but it's not entirely outside the realms of possibility.
We talk about this a long while ago.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Matrix - 18-01-2022
news727 post_id=63892 time= user_id=1412 Wrote:peterrocket post_id=63882 time= user_id=1179 Wrote:One suggestion I'd heard floating about was to basically do a GB News and replace 5Live with the News Channel. Obviously a lot of work would be needed, but it's not entirely outside the realms of possibility.
We talk about this a long while ago.
I mean, aside from anything else, the question surely has to be: why on earth would anyone want to replicate a GB News style set-up. It's hardly what you would call best practice...
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - JetixFann450 - 18-01-2022
To be fair though, having a BBC News radio station would be pretty interesting, leagues in which to compete against the LBC News station as well as the newly launched (or launching) GB News Radio. I know Sky dabbled in radio broadcasting, albeit in a small form and not really a fully fledged radio station, so instead basically broadcast versions of it's reports on different radio stations.
But even then, isn't that the purpose of the World Service station?
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - BBCMeridian - 18-01-2022
Jon post_id=63881 time= user_id=1050 Wrote:Surely a backlash against potential closures is what the BBC need? I would suggest the best way to fight against any cuts of public funding they get, would be announce the planned closure of Radio 2 and BBC Two along with the axing of Strictly.I don't wanna see any services close, going by the programme budgets, I think Strictly should be axed, I might be the only one here but I think it's had it's time.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - XIII - 18-01-2022
BBCMeridian post_id=63899 time= user_id=2083 Wrote:I think 8-9m would be the reason not to axe it.Jon post_id=63881 time= user_id=1050 Wrote:Surely a backlash against potential closures is what the BBC need? I would suggest the best way to fight against any cuts of public funding they get, would be announce the planned closure of Radio 2 and BBC Two along with the axing of Strictly.I don't wanna see any services close, going by the programme budgets, I think Strictly should be axed, I might be the only one here but I think it's had it's time.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Matrix - 18-01-2022
BBCMeridian post_id=63899 time= user_id=2083 Wrote:Jon post_id=63881 time= user_id=1050 Wrote:Surely a backlash against potential closures is what the BBC need? I would suggest the best way to fight against any cuts of public funding they get, would be announce the planned closure of Radio 2 and BBC Two along with the axing of Strictly.I don't wanna see any services close, going by the programme budgets, I think Strictly should be axed, I might be the only one here but I think it's had it's time.
I think, from a commercial and a viewer perspective, that would be absolute lunacy. It is one of our biggest programmes in terms of audience as well as the spin-offs that come from it. I would also argue that it's distinctive, original entertainment that suits quite a wide audience so again, in terms of public interest tests, it passes that.
That said, I can see your point - if they were to go down the 'lop bits off' road of budget management. You could easily see a situation where it boiled down to who likes what and how much does it cost to produce. Both perspectives, I would argue, are shortsighted.
I rather suspect that the backlash is exactly what the government are looking for. It is - in some senses - a distraction. Yes, I can see painful budget squeezes but an actual heartfelt desire to do away with auntie? I'm afraid I've just not seen that from the more tempered rhetoric.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - LI4M - 18-01-2022
The only real way I can see this playing out in a way that doesn't end really badly would be if the BBC fully emprace a hybrid strategy where there's a mix of straight PSB available universally and FTA suplemented by ramping up UKTV go way beyond its original remit of exploiting archive material and creating a mix of FTA and subscription channels to feed more money back to pay for it. I suppose that's a 'Sky' strategy (content wise, rather than platform operating).
For example, a new channel from UKTV (maybe even BBC-branded if the governement becomes minded to allow advertising on the BBC) commissions ratings winners such as Strictly and Eastenders from BBC Studios and airs them with ads. This new revenue stream would go towards the a main 'pure-PSB' channel's remit.
I'll concede that where you put the content for streaming starts to look very messy however!
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - natashajacobs - 18-01-2022
I’d be happy to watch some bbc shows / listen to podcasts with some advertising if it meant services weren’t axed, also this is probably contentious but the news arm employs way too many specialist reporters in my opinion and would be better off employing small specialist teams with more general reporters who can be despatched to any story. Also the days of making content purely for the news website must surely be over too…
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Andrew - 18-01-2022
From listening to the voxpops on the news and seeing the replies to the celebs who were supporting the BBC on Twitter yesterday, the public opinion isn’t clear cut and certainly isn’t obvious between pro and anti views. It certainly isn’t down party lines. Usually when the government announce a policy, the left would come out fighting against it, this isn’t universal on this one.
I don’t think it helps that the comparisons are always between the BBC and Netflix. I think the BBC need to start making it clearer the breadth of what they provide and axing something (or at least pretending to axe something that they are clearly never going to do) like Strictly, Match of the Day, Five Live, like what they did with 6 Music, would make it very clear what would happen without a fair settlement
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - all new Phil - 18-01-2022
Couple of my thoughts.
I’ve long thought we need to get over this squeamishness about the BBC never showing adverts. Who does this benefit? What harm would it do to have an ad break in the middle of Strictly or Drag Race? There’s a way this can be done that balances generating potential revenue whilst not hurting other broadcasters - only at set times or in certain programmes for example.
I’ve also said in the past - the BBC needs to work backwards in this. Work out what content they have, what they should be creating, and then piece that together into what services they should be providing. Too often it’s thought of that we need to cut this channel, or axe this service. What does 6 Music provide and can this be added into Radio 2 instead? Same for 1Xtra and Radio 1 - rather than let’s axe 1Xtra, let’s think about how we can serve that audience through Radio 1 and streaming. You don’t need to have a distinct channel for this narrow audience, and a distinct channel for another.
Why do we need BBC4 as an archive channel whilst we have BBC2 largely doing nothing during the day?
The point I’m trying to make is we need to work out how each audience is catered for, and what ways that can be done that works in the new world of streaming. Too often it’s “axe 6 Music but leave Radio 2 untouched” etc. There are plenty of ways the BBC can serve audiences just as well with less resource, it’s just often unwilling to consider how to do it.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Toby brown - 18-01-2022
all new Phil post_id=63919 time= user_id=865 Wrote:Couple of my thoughts.1xtra searves the black community. Do you think they should axe the asian network aswell? Or put its content on radio 1
I’ve long thought we need to get over this squeamishness about the BBC never showing adverts. Who does this benefit? What harm would it do to have an ad break in the middle of Strictly or Drag Race? There’s a way this can be done that balances generating potential revenue whilst not hurting other broadcasters - only at set times or in certain programmes for example.
I’ve also said in the past - the BBC needs to work backwards in this. Work out what content they have, what they should be creating, and then piece that together into what services they should be providing. Too often it’s thought of that we need to cut this channel, or axe this service. What does 6 Music provide and can this be added into Radio 2 instead? Same for 1Xtra and Radio 1 - rather than let’s axe 1Xtra, let’s think about how we can serve that audience through Radio 1 and streaming. You don’t need to have a distinct channel for this narrow audience, and a distinct channel for another.
Why do we need BBC4 as an archive channel whilst we have BBC2 largely doing nothing during the day?
The point I’m trying to make is we need to work out how each audience is catered for, and what ways that can be done that works in the new world of streaming. Too often it’s “axe 6 Music but leave Radio 2 untouched” etc. There are plenty of ways the BBC can serve audiences just as well with less resource, it’s just often unwilling to consider how to do it.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - BBCMeridian - 18-01-2022
all new Phil post_id=63919 time= user_id=865 Wrote:Couple of my thoughts.Because BBC Four is a channel for showcasing the arts and music, as well as showing lots of content from the archives. I don't see a problem with that especially as it's the 100th anniversary of the BBC and BBC Four is the best channel that can show the archives.
I’ve long thought we need to get over this squeamishness about the BBC never showing adverts. Who does this benefit? What harm would it do to have an ad break in the middle of Strictly or Drag Race? There’s a way this can be done that balances generating potential revenue whilst not hurting other broadcasters - only at set times or in certain programmes for example.
I’ve also said in the past - the BBC needs to work backwards in this. Work out what content they have, what they should be creating, and then piece that together into what services they should be providing. Too often it’s thought of that we need to cut this channel, or axe this service. What does 6 Music provide and can this be added into Radio 2 instead? Same for 1Xtra and Radio 1 - rather than let’s axe 1Xtra, let’s think about how we can serve that audience through Radio 1 and streaming. You don’t need to have a distinct channel for this narrow audience, and a distinct channel for another.
Why do we need BBC4 as an archive channel whilst we have BBC2 largely doing nothing during the day?
The point I’m trying to make is we need to work out how each audience is catered for, and what ways that can be done that works in the new world of streaming. Too often it’s “axe 6 Music but leave Radio 2 untouched” etc. There are plenty of ways the BBC can serve audiences just as well with less resource, it’s just often unwilling to consider how to do it.
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - Toby brown - 18-01-2022
In my view axe bbc4 and put its shows on bbc2 also axe radio 3 and leave its job to classic fm. Also close bbc parliament if you want to watch whats going on in the commons go online to parliament tv
BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen - BBCMeridian - 18-01-2022
Toby brown post_id=63925 time= user_id=1251 Wrote:In my view axe bbc4 and put its shows on bbc2 also axe radio 3 and leave its job to classic fm. Also close bbc parliament if you want to watch whats going on in the commons go online to parliament tvSorry but i respectfully disagree on this. Reason is that BBC Four is a channel that showcases arts music and archive content, Radio 3 is the only BBC Radio channel that can broadcast the Proms and not everyone in the country has broadband access to see what is happening in parliament, I might be wrong but that's what I think.