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BBC World News - Brekkie - 14-08-2021
Couldn't they have a different voice over on the two channels in a similar manner to how they operate two sets of graphics?
BBC World News - ALV - 14-08-2021
I think we should take advantage of the technology at NBH and continue to separate the two names in the titles, because they have the ability to show different DOGS and logos during simulcasts, and it was implemented to avoid the whole "BBC News from BBC World"/"BBC World from BBC News" confusion - so why should we revert back to it lol...
I remembered back in 2013, there is a pretty good protocol in addressing channel names during simulcasts... during simulcast of generic bulletins, when presenters introduce the show, they say "This is BBC News, broadcasting live to the viewers in the UK and around the world".
When presenters do a time check in simulcasts, they say something like "..the headlines at the top of the hour/quarter from the hour/bottom of the hour" rather saying out the actual UK time.
When presenters sign off, they avoid saying stuff like "Good night/Good evening" but instead using "Goodbye"...
And presenters used to do a pretty good job "generalizing" the two channel names during simulcasts. For example, they say something like "Stay with us right here..." instead of "Stay with us on BBC World News...".
Unfortunately, in recent years I don't see presenters following this sort of "protocol" while presenting simulcasts anymore, especially when the NC team is handling it during Covid staffing shortages.
The overnight format is the perfect format in handling simulcasts to avoid confusion. It'd be great if they can follow the format during daytime too (if they have to simulcast due to staffing issues).
BBC World News - deejay - 14-08-2021
There is a problem with ‘top of the hour’ and ‘bottom of the hour’ though because there are several key markets that have .5h time differences. One notable example is India, where there Indian Standard Time is GMT +5.5h.
BBC World News - bbctvtechop - 15-08-2021
Brekkie post_id=34268 time= user_id=976 Wrote:Couldn't they have a different voice over on the two channels in a similar manner to how they operate two sets of graphics?No. The graphics are overlaid onto the studio output (audio and video) downstream of the gallery.
The gallery produces the visual and audio output as a single stream, which then goes to a lower thirds graphic engine and has the ticker, Channel logo, clock and live/locators added before going out to the TX chain.
Any audio/video content they want to differ between the two channels has to be done in two separate galleries.
(Off-topic, but the local radio ViLoR project has enabled all (?) local radio stations to originate a programme which can be simulcast to any other, with "split jingles" to allow different audio imaging on all stations taking that simulcast. It works in a similar way to the lower thirds engine on TV News, ie it's downstream of the studio/simulcast content and overlaid on top by the originating studio triggering a split ident. There are different types (just the station name, just the telephone number, both name and number, etc) and are all the same length so the presenter can't crash the jingle anywhere.)
BBC World News - harshy - 15-08-2021
How was it done on bbc four world news many years ago when I swear it had two graphical outputs?
BBC World News - Jamesypoo - 15-08-2021
harshy post_id=34353 time= user_id=970 Wrote:How was it done on bbc four world news many years ago when I swear it had two graphical outputs?Pretty sure BBC Four presentation used to play out the video to the first part of the titles then mixing into the world feed.
BBC World News - bbctvtechop - 15-08-2021
Jamesypoo post_id=34356 time= user_id=828 Wrote:If there were two versions, then yes it was probably separated by BBC4 continuity. However I doubt that they opted out after the headlines and opted back after the titles - far too much potential for error. Likely the news studio gave them headlines and titles pre-recorded and specifically timed (exactly 1 minute for the whole lot?) and then the two channels came together at 1 minute past fie the rest of the broadcast.harshy post_id=34353 time= user_id=970 Wrote:How was it done on bbc four world news many years ago when I swear it had two graphical outputs?Pretty sure BBC Four presentation used to play out the video to the first part of the titles then mixing into the world feed.
BBC World News - Jamesypoo - 15-08-2021
bbctvtechop post_id=34357 time= user_id=1746 Wrote:The sequence used to go titles > headlines > titles. The first part of the titles (I suppose it was a sting really) was BBC Four/BBC World News branded depending on which channel you were watching. The main titles after the headlines just said “BBC”, which is why I always assumed the second set of titles were identical on both channels.Jamesypoo post_id=34356 time= user_id=828 Wrote:If there were two versions, then yes it was probably separated by BBC4 continuity. However I doubt that they opted out after the headlines and opted back after the titles - far too much potential for error. Likely the news studio gave them headlines and titles pre-recorded and specifically timed (exactly 1 minute for the whole lot?) and then the two channels came together at 1 minute past fie the rest of the broadcast.harshy post_id=34353 time= user_id=970 Wrote:How was it done on bbc four world news many years ago when I swear it had two graphical outputs?Pretty sure BBC Four presentation used to play out the video to the first part of the titles then mixing into the world feed.
BBC World News - Critique - 15-08-2021
ALV post_id=34277 time= user_id=1193 Wrote:I remembered back in 2013, there is a pretty good protocol in addressing channel names during simulcasts... during simulcast of generic bulletins, when presenters introduce the show, they say "This is BBC News, broadcasting live to the viewers in the UK and around the world".
Since the start of the pandemic they've doubled the number of times they mention that the programme is 'for viewers in the UK and around the world', saying it at the start of the headlines and then often after the titles too. I think it's a bit too verbose, but I suppose not as bad as a period last year where they were saying at the start of every programme something like 'Welcome to our viewers in the UK and around the world, stay with us for the latest coronavirus information for viewers in the UK and around the globe'...!
ALV post_id=34277 time= user_id=1193 Wrote:And presenters used to do a pretty good job "generalizing" the two channel names during simulcasts. For example, they say something like "Stay with us right here..." instead of "Stay with us on BBC World News...".
Unfortunately, in recent years I don't see presenters following this sort of "protocol" while presenting simulcasts anymore, especially when the NC team is handling it during Covid staffing shortages.
I know it's not the biggest issue but it does grate on me a little how these little things seem to get missed nowadays. World presenters often mention bbc.com/news, which whilst still a valid URL is one that you'd otherwise never hear in the UK. I'm assuming it's not technically feasible but I've often wondered if they could use the same tech that lets separate BBC News/World News logos appear to allow for separate URLs and things like that to show up. Presumably they'd have to be designed to look like normal astons but actually be fixed (as in no scope to add any accompanying text on the fly) if it were possible though.
The other thing that i think can expose the awkwardness of the simulcasts is the lengthy pauses when World opt in/out. I was looking at old clips on TV Ark/YouTube the other day and simulcasts were just generally very slick, with no hanging around waiting at opt points and to the UK viewer it was much less noticeable that it was a joint programme. Is the move from analogue to digital the reason we now have lengthy pauses to allow World to opt out cleanly?
BBC World News - AndrewP - 16-08-2021
deejay post_id=34302 time= user_id=880 Wrote:There is a problem with ‘top of the hour’ and ‘bottom of the hour’ though because there are several key markets that have .5h time differences. One notable example is India, where there Indian Standard Time is GMT +5.5h.I would presume that those watching would recognise it is based on GMT, though, and I doubt most viewers would really notice.
Critique post_id=34369 time= user_id=867 Wrote:bbc.com/news, which whilst still a valid URL is one that you'd otherwise never hear in the UK.I can't remember ever hearing the URL of the BBC News website on domestic services, they usually only say the name. On another note, they used to advertise bbcnews.com, does anyone know why they switched to the more verbose (and arguably more complicated) bbc.com/news.
BBC World News - ALV - 16-08-2021
I've been wanting to respond to this but the site was down for a day...
Critique post_id=34369 time= user_id=867 Wrote:The other thing that i think can expose the awkwardness of the simulcasts is the lengthy pauses when World opt in/out. I was looking at old clips on TV Ark/YouTube the other day and simulcasts were just generally very slick, with no hanging around waiting at opt points and to the UK viewer it was much less noticeable that it was a joint programme. Is the move from analogue to digital the reason we now have lengthy pauses to allow World to opt out cleanly?Gah I hate that too during daytime simulcasts. They've been adopting what I called the "NC format", which has no closing titles, rather than the "overnight format", which has closing titles, and tighter/stricter timings where newscasts are formatted to end sharply at :26 mins every hour.
The "NC format" is not built for simulcasts IMO because it has greater flexibility in timings (the NC don't have to run ads unlike World), hence often times when directors forget to drop items in the rundown while the newscast has gone overrun and past the WN opt out point, WN will crash out in the middle of a running story at :26 to ads/world weather. Stuff like this bugs me out!
You'll also see presenters "freak out" occasionally at opt out points on the NC, hence the lengthy pauses at opt out points, probably because they don't know whether the gallery wants to toss to weather or run another story... This wouldn't happen if they used the "overnight format". Everyone goes to weather at :26... just like the overnights!
BBC World News - Steve in Pudsey - 16-08-2021
bbctvtechop post_id=34352 time= user_id=1746 Wrote:Any audio/video content they want to differ between the two channels has to be done in two separate galleries.
Could it not potentially be done by Mosart in a similar manner to Gallery A playing out a weather forecast to BBC One HD while doing the 8pm update live for BBC One London?
BBC World News - VampMix - 16-08-2021
Nuala McGovern taking WNA tonight...
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BBC World News - itsrobert - 18-08-2021
Jamesypoo post_id=34361 time= user_id=828 Wrote:Annoyingly, I watched an edition of BBC Four News go out from within the N9 gallery in February 2003 but sadly I can't remember how it was done now. I think you're on the right lines but I think that the "sprinkle" (as the first bit was known) played out by N9 was the BBC Four version. I think that BBC World Pres played out the BBC World version and mixed to the headlines as the presenter began speaking. Like I say, I can't be 100% sure but it's what I vaguely recollect. Either way, it certainly seems like a lot of faff to go to for something so trivial!bbctvtechop post_id=34357 time= user_id=1746 Wrote:The sequence used to go titles > headlines > titles. The first part of the titles (I suppose it was a sting really) was BBC Four/BBC World News branded depending on which channel you were watching. The main titles after the headlines just said “BBC”, which is why I always assumed the second set of titles were identical on both channels.Jamesypoo post_id=34356 time= user_id=828 Wrote:Pretty sure BBC Four presentation used to play out the video to the first part of the titles then mixing into the world feed.If there were two versions, then yes it was probably separated by BBC4 continuity. However I doubt that they opted out after the headlines and opted back after the titles - far too much potential for error. Likely the news studio gave them headlines and titles pre-recorded and specifically timed (exactly 1 minute for the whole lot?) and then the two channels came together at 1 minute past fie the rest of the broadcast.
BBC World News - chris - 18-08-2021
How long was it before it was rebranded “The World”? A year?