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Prince Philip has Died - TIGHazard - 11-04-2021

Frances post_id=5893 time=1618168178 user_id=1084 Wrote:
zenon post_id=5869 time=1618163895 user_id=1503 Wrote:Given there was just 10 minutes until the main evening news anyway, BBC One could have just put a message at the bottom of the screen directing viewers to the BBC News Channel and let MBB play out.
I remember the Ten that night is extended to 2 hours to cover the death of Mandela…

And I'm certain that was on a stormy day too which caused some annoyance.


Prince Philip has Died - Yellow - 11-04-2021

Run_Telecine post_id=5884 time=1618165507 user_id=906 Wrote:why wasn't it released under a Super-injunctio

This isn't suitable news for a super-injuction, you are mixing things up. An injuction is given when it's not in the public interest for things to be disclosed. Keeping secret the fact that Prince Harry is in Afghanistan might have been suitable, but was handled on a goodwill basis for the better of everyone concerned. The sexual preferences of someone from Downton Abbey or Wham! are ones that the press are going to want to splash for their own benefit and therefore need a court binding them.


Prince Philip has Died - Andrew - 11-04-2021

TIGHazard post_id=5896 time=1618168617 user_id=904 Wrote:
Frances post_id=5893 time=1618168178 user_id=1084 Wrote:
zenon post_id=5869 time=1618163895 user_id=1503 Wrote:Given there was just 10 minutes until the main evening news anyway, BBC One could have just put a message at the bottom of the screen directing viewers to the BBC News Channel and let MBB play out.
I remember the Ten that night is extended to 2 hours to cover the death of Mandela…

And I'm certain that was on a stormy day too which caused some annoyance.
That’s also a factor that is worthy of some debate. When there is a big news, and not even as big as Friday’s news was, it seems to be compulsory that it becomes the only news.

On Friday we didn’t even get the daily Covid cases, death and vaccination numbers. I’m not entirely sure why a quick round up of other news isn’t allowed.

For example, did BBC Newsline and UTV Live dedicate the whole programme to the Duke on Friday, or also cover the ongoing Belfast riots?


Prince Philip has Died - onetrickypony - 11-04-2021

Andrew post_id=5898 time=1618169048 user_id=791 Wrote:
TIGHazard post_id=5896 time=1618168617 user_id=904 Wrote:
Frances post_id=5893 time=1618168178 user_id=1084 Wrote:
zenon post_id=5869 time=1618163895 user_id=1503 Wrote:Given there was just 10 minutes until the main evening news anyway, BBC One could have just put a message at the bottom of the screen directing viewers to the BBC News Channel and let MBB play out.
I remember the Ten that night is extended to 2 hours to cover the death of Mandela…

And I'm certain that was on a stormy day too which caused some annoyance.
That’s also a factor that is worthy of some debate. When there is a big news, and not even as big as Friday’s news was, it seems to be compulsory that it becomes the only news.

On Friday we didn’t even get the daily Covid cases, death and vaccination numbers. I’m not entirely sure why a quick round up of other news isn’t allowed.

For example, did BBC Newsline and UTV Live dedicate the whole programme to the Duke on Friday, or also cover the ongoing Belfast riots?

Newsline had news on the riots.


Prince Philip has Died - valley - 11-04-2021

BBI45 post_id=5894 time=1618168287 user_id=1008 Wrote:
valley post_id=5889 time=1618167457 user_id=971 Wrote:
BBI45 post_id=5879 time=1618165081 user_id=1008 Wrote:
valley post_id=5875 time=1618164449 user_id=971 Wrote:From what I've heard some newsrooms were informed at about 11:30 there was a Category A announcement due at around midday - they weren't informed what it was actually going to be, so there was little to be done other than to inform key production staff to be ready, and to get Royal Correspondents and Commentators on the phone. It could've just been that someone was going into hospital, of course.

This might be a stupid question, but what is the benefit of confirming there will be an announcement whilst leaving the content unknown? As you say, it could have been that someone was going to hospital. Surely with that little information, you can either do nothing other than brace for potential impact, or have a guess at what it might be and risk being left with egg on your face.
A vague "there'll be an announcement" warning allows producers and editors to:
  • Get relevant correspondents on the phone or moving to the studio
  • Get a senior presenter on standby
  • Start sending out camera crews - there was a camera at Canada Gate within five minutes of the PA announcement and one at Windsor within fifteen minutes I believe
  • If you're planning on being "off-tape" from transmission at the the time of the announcement, you have time to cancel that and ensure there's a full gallery/studio crew ready to go
  • Get the floor manager to dig out the bag of black ties
  • Last but not least it gives you warning that someone needs to keep their eyes on the incoming wires and do nothing else!
A lot of television journalism is preparing for the worst. I'd much rather be prepared only for it to be trivial and have to justify your decisions to management, than being unprepared when it's something major.

That makes sense. Fair enough. But that still leaves the question of why only some newsrooms were informed, whilst others seemingly only became aware once PA snapped it. With every broadcast that I've seen, it's felt like (whilst handled amazingly well) nobody was expecting it.
I'm not 100% sure if all were informed, but I know that some were given a warning of news but perhaps on an informal basis. I do feel like there would be an acknowledgement that whilst, say, BBC and Sky News would benefit from some degree of warning it is unlikely that newspaper or radio newsrooms would require that.
And yeah, I hypothesise that senior editorial staff were hoping that it was nothing too serious. Perhaps presenters and gallery staff were told that there may be some breaking news imminently but not that it was royalty related. However, looking at how quickly the news channels got up specialist correspondents it seems clear to me that there was some degree of pre-planning; Sam Washington threw to Rhiannon Mills on the phone after just 19 seconds. TBU lines have to be rung up, routed to the gallery, checked by sound and talkback assigned before being put on air which is not a hugely fast process, although not as long as a video live.


Prince Philip has Died - Newsroom - 11-04-2021

BBI45 post_id=5894 time=1618168287 user_id=1008 Wrote:
valley post_id=5889 time=1618167457 user_id=971 Wrote:
BBI45 post_id=5879 time=1618165081 user_id=1008 Wrote:
valley post_id=5875 time=1618164449 user_id=971 Wrote:From what I've heard some newsrooms were informed at about 11:30 there was a Category A announcement due at around midday - they weren't informed what it was actually going to be, so there was little to be done other than to inform key production staff to be ready, and to get Royal Correspondents and Commentators on the phone. It could've just been that someone was going into hospital, of course.

This might be a stupid question, but what is the benefit of confirming there will be an announcement whilst leaving the content unknown? As you say, it could have been that someone was going to hospital. Surely with that little information, you can either do nothing other than brace for potential impact, or have a guess at what it might be and risk being left with egg on your face.
A vague "there'll be an announcement" warning allows producers and editors to:
  • Get relevant correspondents on the phone or moving to the studio
  • Get a senior presenter on standby
  • Start sending out camera crews - there was a camera at Canada Gate within five minutes of the PA announcement and one at Windsor within fifteen minutes I believe
  • If you're planning on being "off-tape" from transmission at the the time of the announcement, you have time to cancel that and ensure there's a full gallery/studio crew ready to go
  • Get the floor manager to dig out the bag of black ties
  • Last but not least it gives you warning that someone needs to keep their eyes on the incoming wires and do nothing else!
A lot of television journalism is preparing for the worst. I'd much rather be prepared only for it to be trivial and have to justify your decisions to management, than being unprepared when it's something major.

That makes sense. Fair enough. But that still leaves the question of why only some newsrooms were informed, whilst others seemingly only became aware once PA snapped it. With every broadcast that I've seen, it's felt like (whilst handled amazingly well) nobody was expecting it.

‘Some newsrooms’ was someone speculating, or to be precise said ‘my understanding is’.

I’d be interested to know which newsrooms were ahead of the rest of the world with this announcement, if indeed that was the case?


Prince Philip has Died - valley - 11-04-2021

Andrew post_id=5898 time=1618169048 user_id=791 Wrote:
TIGHazard post_id=5896 time=1618168617 user_id=904 Wrote:
Frances post_id=5893 time=1618168178 user_id=1084 Wrote:
zenon post_id=5869 time=1618163895 user_id=1503 Wrote:Given there was just 10 minutes until the main evening news anyway, BBC One could have just put a message at the bottom of the screen directing viewers to the BBC News Channel and let MBB play out.
I remember the Ten that night is extended to 2 hours to cover the death of Mandela…

And I'm certain that was on a stormy day too which caused some annoyance.
That’s also a factor that is worthy of some debate. When there is a big news, and not even as big as Friday’s news was, it seems to be compulsory that it becomes the only news.

On Friday we didn’t even get the daily Covid cases, death and vaccination numbers. I’m not entirely sure why a quick round up of other news isn’t allowed.

For example, did BBC Newsline and UTV Live dedicate the whole programme to the Duke on Friday, or also cover the ongoing Belfast riots?
For what it's worth Sky did cover other news in the 8pm hour and the 10pm hour on Friday - including a Belfast riots live.


Prince Philip has Died - Ash101 - 11-04-2021

iloveTV1 post_id=5895 time=1618168508 user_id=1057 Wrote:
WeArethelosers post_id=5892 time=1618168133 user_id=1345 Wrote:How long did Radio 1 ban lyrics for?

From 4pm to 6.30pm.

They didn’t go back to playing regular songs till 7am on Saturday. They played some chilled dance between 8pm and midnight but returned to the instrumentals in the early hours.


Prince Philip has Died - iloveTV1 - 11-04-2021

Ash101 post_id=5903 time=1618169634 user_id=936 Wrote:
iloveTV1 post_id=5895 time=1618168508 user_id=1057 Wrote:
WeArethelosers post_id=5892 time=1618168133 user_id=1345 Wrote:How long did Radio 1 ban lyrics for?

From 4pm to 6.30pm.

They didn’t go back to playing regular songs till 7am on Saturday. They played some chilled dance between 8pm and midnight but returned to the instrumentals in the early hours.

I think they’re going to get back to (near) normal from tomorrow, just with less chatter.


Prince Philip has Died - Toby brown - 11-04-2021

WeArethelosers post_id=5892 time=1618168133 user_id=1345 Wrote:How long did Radio 1 ban lyrics for?
I think on Friday it was until 8pm


Prince Philip has Died - GraphicsMan - 11-04-2021

WeArethelosers post_id=5892 time=1618168133 user_id=1345 Wrote:How long did Radio 1 ban lyrics for?

I'm not sure they actually banned anything.

They revised their playlist and played suitable music for the occasion. It's what I believe is known as being respectful.


Prince Philip has Died - UTVLifer - 11-04-2021

I'm expecting that GMB will use their sombre theme again tomorrow and I am anticipate that they will go for the same level of OTT-ness was when Captain Tom died, just for you know an actual Category 1 death given that the words "understated" and "low-key" generally doesn't feature in the GMB dictionary.

I hope that either Ben, Charlotte or even Ranvir present with Susanna tomorrow as I'm not sure how Adil Ray will manage with a obit-heavy programme, given that he has struggled in the past with breaking news.


Prince Philip has Died - TVNewsViewer - 11-04-2021

Larry the Loafer post_id=5794 time=1618149765 user_id=990 Wrote:Given the nature of the news and the Twitter era we live in, was this the first time we were able to watch BBC One and ITV live fully anticipating an interruption? [...]

Not the first time because quite regularly in fact I have turned to BBC One and anticipated an interruption or an additional brief news report. Where I have been watching the News Channel, breaking news has been announced in advance and, with particularly big stories, I then think whether it is serious enough to interrupt BBC One. There have been, sadly, a number of terrorist attacks of late years where BBC One went to the news or closed early. They broke on the News Channel first. The news of Bruce Forsyth's death and the PM going into intensive care having caught Covid also gave news reports after being reported on the News Channel first. So, quite a lot of the time, there is some forewarning of a BBC One interruption if you happen to be watching the News Channel when the news breaks and it is a story of the type that pulls BBC One off air or else gives a news report, whether also on the News Channel or not, at the next break before Eastenders.


Prince Philip has Died - James Martin - 11-04-2021

Larry the Loafer post_id=5794 time=1618149765 user_id=990 Wrote:Given the nature of the news and the Twitter era we live in, was this the first time we were able to watch BBC One and ITV live fully anticipating an interruption?
When the 9/11 retaliations kicked off BBC One had already cut to N24, so tuned to ITV and waited for the regional programme to be pulled.


Prince Philip has Died - TVNewsViewer - 11-04-2021

In fact Nelson Mandela's death itself is an example where it became known on the News Channel first so that its viewers could then tune to BBC One anticipating the interruption. Despite the comments on here, I think it was handled as best as could have been done, given that, while there was some clue that this might be what was about to be announced, the 100% confirmation did not come until President Zuma's statement announced it.

With no opportunity for the News Channel to break away from a statement already in progress, perhaps the best BBC One could do - despite being criticised for interrupting programming about ten minutes away from the News at Ten - was simply to crash into it. At least they got it right in the sense that the first strap seen says "Nelson Mandela has died" rather than it being something where you don't know what has happened for some time into it since they missed the start. A thing that happened this time with Prince Philip with some of the radio stations, such as Clyde 1, that appears to have crashed into Sky News Television part way through, which doesn't make clear for some time what has happened. Greatest Hits Scotland joined the special Sky News Radio (IRN) bulletin slightly late.

I get the point though about people already watching live BBC One or ITV (rather than watching a News Channel) and getting an alert on their phone that tips them off an interruption is about to occur.