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AllWillBeWell post_id=13837 time=1621610735 user_id=773 Wrote:

MrUdagawa post_id=13832 time=1621610355 user_id=1184 Wrote:I am as much a fan of the BBC as the next man, but there is some serious hypocrisy going on if people can't recognise what a monumental failing this is for the organisation.
In my opinion we can't really dub something 'just a media story' if we'd be up in arms if another network or organisation had done the same. The whole point of journalism is that it truthfully holds people to account - if trust in the methods of doing that is lost then it is very serious.

I wouldn't be surprised if the News department gets dissolved and a new department created. Such is the way things generally occur at large companies. The department is damaged, let get rid of it and make something else new which does the same thing but isn't the thing that was damaged in the public eye. Obviously there will always be BBC News in the public, but the department which runs it may be taken away and replaced. Something significant has to occur. Not to tarnish the whole of BBC News, this was just part of it which carried out these allgeged acts.

They are not going to "dissolve" the news department. If anything this report is about the governance of the BBC, and since these events occurs the system of governance has changed not once but twice.

Brekkie post_id=13858 time=1621614577 user_id=976 Wrote:

AllWillBeWell post_id=13837 time=1621610735 user_id=773 Wrote:

MrUdagawa post_id=13832 time=1621610355 user_id=1184 Wrote:I am as much a fan of the BBC as the next man, but there is some serious hypocrisy going on if people can't recognise what a monumental failing this is for the organisation.
In my opinion we can't really dub something 'just a media story' if we'd be up in arms if another network or organisation had done the same. The whole point of journalism is that it truthfully holds people to account - if trust in the methods of doing that is lost then it is very serious.

I wouldn't be surprised if the News department gets dissolved and a new department created. Such is the way things generally occur at large companies. The department is damaged, let get rid of it and make something else new which does the same thing but isn't the thing that was damaged in the public eye. Obviously there will always be BBC News in the public, but the department which runs it may be taken away and replaced. Something significant has to occur. Not to tarnish the whole of BBC News, this was just part of it which carried out these allgeged acts.

They are not going to "dissolve" the news department. If anything this report is about the governance of the BBC, and since these events occurs the system of governance has changed not once but twice.

None of us know what they are going to do. If the BBC wants so secure its future it will have to go something big.

Brekkie post_id=13858 time=1621614577 user_id=976 Wrote:

AllWillBeWell post_id=13837 time=1621610735 user_id=773 Wrote:

MrUdagawa post_id=13832 time=1621610355 user_id=1184 Wrote:I am as much a fan of the BBC as the next man, but there is some serious hypocrisy going on if people can't recognise what a monumental failing this is for the organisation.
In my opinion we can't really dub something 'just a media story' if we'd be up in arms if another network or organisation had done the same. The whole point of journalism is that it truthfully holds people to account - if trust in the methods of doing that is lost then it is very serious.

I wouldn't be surprised if the News department gets dissolved and a new department created. Such is the way things generally occur at large companies. The department is damaged, let get rid of it and make something else new which does the same thing but isn't the thing that was damaged in the public eye. Obviously there will always be BBC News in the public, but the department which runs it may be taken away and replaced. Something significant has to occur. Not to tarnish the whole of BBC News, this was just part of it which carried out these allgeged acts.

They are not going to "dissolve" the news department. If anything this report is about the governance of the BBC, and since these events occurs the system of governance has changed not once but twice.

Exactly - some very OTT posts in this thread.

The BBC seem to enjoy beating themselves up in the name of being 'transparent and accountable'

You have one rogue reporter (allegedly) who at the time reported a very current situation regarding The Prince of Wales who was seeing Camilla and his wife a princess being disowned by the palace establishment.

The whole thing smacks of hypocrisy. Can we have some real news now please - such as the nationalisation of the railways.

AllWillBeWell post_id=13837 time=1621610735 user_id=773 Wrote:

MrUdagawa post_id=13832 time=1621610355 user_id=1184 Wrote:I am as much a fan of the BBC as the next man, but there is some serious hypocrisy going on if people can't recognise what a monumental failing this is for the organisation.
In my opinion we can't really dub something 'just a media story' if we'd be up in arms if another network or organisation had done the same. The whole point of journalism is that it truthfully holds people to account - if trust in the methods of doing that is lost then it is very serious.

I wouldn't be surprised if the News department gets dissolved and a new department created. Such is the way things generally occur at large companies. The department is damaged, let get rid of it and make something else new which does the same thing but isn't the thing that was damaged in the public eye. Obviously there will always be BBC News in the public, but the department which runs it may be taken away and replaced. Something significant has to occur. Not to tarnish the whole of BBC News, this was just part of it which carried out these allgeged acts.

Well this is a major talking point that should be discussed behind the scenes right now from within the BBC & elsewhere that is tasked with examining the evidence of that interview. Would be there enough evidence here to allow the BBC News Department to get replaced with a new department that provides newly revised news & current affairs editorial guidelines in place along with new high quality news & current affairs programming to it's licence fee payers & to the rest of it's audience. That's a vital discussion that has be to addressed right now at this current time otherwise the time that needed to not discuss it will inflict more damage to the BBC's credibility among the British public.

From a programming point of view; the BBC might need to contemplate the possibility that Panorama would need to be scrapped for good & maybe have it replaced with a brand new BBC Investigations Unit that focuses on providing high quality investigative journalism to licence fee payers across the UK. The reason why I am making this suggestion is that as I live in Ireland; the state broadcaster RTÉ was under a lot of controversy after showing a programme from Prime Time Investigates which reported that Fr Kevin Smyth, a Catholic priest from the West of Ireland, had reported that he had fathered after using fake DNA test results. The consequences of that programme had widespread consequences for it's reputation after it aired on RTÉ One in Ireland. Long story short; Prime Time Investigates was subsequently scrapped for good by RTÉ in Ireland with the programme being replaced with RTÉ Investigates Unit which has stood the test of time in providing high quality investigative news to licence fee payers who live in the Republic of Ireland. If that would be enough for the BBC to consider this option; people may become positive to this idea if it is appropriate to do within the context of rebuilding itself after airing the Diana interview.

bkman1990 post_id=13892 time=1621621629 user_id=922 Wrote:

AllWillBeWell post_id=13837 time=1621610735 user_id=773 Wrote:

MrUdagawa post_id=13832 time=1621610355 user_id=1184 Wrote:I am as much a fan of the BBC as the next man, but there is some serious hypocrisy going on if people can't recognise what a monumental failing this is for the organisation.
In my opinion we can't really dub something 'just a media story' if we'd be up in arms if another network or organisation had done the same. The whole point of journalism is that it truthfully holds people to account - if trust in the methods of doing that is lost then it is very serious.

I wouldn't be surprised if the News department gets dissolved and a new department created. Such is the way things generally occur at large companies. The department is damaged, let get rid of it and make something else new which does the same thing but isn't the thing that was damaged in the public eye. Obviously there will always be BBC News in the public, but the department which runs it may be taken away and replaced. Something significant has to occur. Not to tarnish the whole of BBC News, this was just part of it which carried out these allgeged acts.

Well this is a major talking point that should be discussed behind the scenes right now from within the BBC & elsewhere that is tasked with examining the evidence of that interview. Would be there enough evidence here to allow the BBC News Department to get replaced with a new department that provides newly revised news & current affairs editorial guidelines in place along with new high quality news & current affairs programming to it's licence fee payers & to the rest of it's audience. That's a vital discussion that has be to addressed right now at this current time otherwise the time that needed to not discuss it will inflict more damage to the BBC's credibility among the British public.

From a programming point of view; the BBC might need to contemplate the possibility that Panorama would need to be scrapped for good & maybe have it replaced with a brand new BBC Investigations Unit that focuses on providing high quality investigative journalism to licence fee payers across the UK. The reason why I am making this suggestion is that as I live in Ireland; the state broadcaster RTÉ was under a lot of controversy after showing a programme from Prime Time Investigates which reported that Fr Kevin Smyth, a Catholic priest from the West of Ireland, had reported that he had fathered after using fake DNA test results. The consequences of that programme had widespread consequences for it's reputation after it aired on RTÉ One in Ireland. Long story short; Prime Time Investigates was subsequently scrapped for good by RTÉ in Ireland with the programme being replaced with RTÉ Investigates Unit which has stood the test of time in providing high quality investigative news to licence fee payers who live in the Republic of Ireland. If that would be enough for the BBC to consider this option; people may become positive to this idea if it is appropriate to do within the context of rebuilding itself after airing the Diana interview.

Possibly. But programmes such as Newsnight have come through journalistic scandals - the most notable being the Lord McAlpine matter in 2012 in the wake of the Jimmy Saville crisis.

bkman1990 post_id=13892 time=1621621629 user_id=922 Wrote:From a programming point of view; the BBC might need to contemplate the possibility that Panorama would need to be scrapped for good & maybe have it replaced with a brand new BBC Investigations Unit that focuses on providing high quality investigative journalism to licence fee payers across the UK. The reason why I am making this suggestion is that as I live in Ireland; the state broadcaster RTÉ was under a lot of controversy after showing a programme from Prime Time Investigates which reported that Fr Kevin Smyth, a Catholic priest from the West of Ireland, had reported that he had fathered after using fake DNA test results. The consequences of that programme had widespread consequences for it's reputation after it aired on RTÉ One in Ireland. Long story short; Prime Time Investigates was subsequently scrapped for good by RTÉ in Ireland with the programme being replaced with RTÉ Investigates Unit which has stood the test of time in providing high quality investigative news to licence fee payers who live in the Republic of Ireland. If that would be enough for the BBC to consider this option; people may become positive to this idea if it is appropriate to do within the context of rebuilding itself after airing the Diana interview.

The Panorama of today is not the Panorama of 1995 and BBC News has been restructured many times since then. Broadcasting ethics and working practises have also changed since then because of other scandals. Why should the production team of 2021 suffer for mistakes that were made when they were probably still at school?

The RTE example is a very different issue and the programme was axed the year after, not a quarter of a century after

I think if Panorama was going to be cancelled over this, I think it would've been cancelled in 1996/97. If anything changes, I think there'll be some form of internal shake-up and new editorial guidelines.

Inspector Sands post_id=13898 time=1621622654 user_id=1003 Wrote:

bkman1990 post_id=13892 time=1621621629 user_id=922 Wrote:From a programming point of view; the BBC might need to contemplate the possibility that Panorama would need to be scrapped for good & maybe have it replaced with a brand new BBC Investigations Unit that focuses on providing high quality investigative journalism to licence fee payers across the UK. The reason why I am making this suggestion is that as I live in Ireland; the state broadcaster RTÉ was under a lot of controversy after showing a programme from Prime Time Investigates which reported that Fr Kevin Smyth, a Catholic priest from the West of Ireland, had reported that he had fathered after using fake DNA test results. The consequences of that programme had widespread consequences for it's reputation after it aired on RTÉ One in Ireland. Long story short; Prime Time Investigates was subsequently scrapped for good by RTÉ in Ireland with the programme being replaced with RTÉ Investigates Unit which has stood the test of time in providing high quality investigative news to licence fee payers who live in the Republic of Ireland. If that would be enough for the BBC to consider this option; people may become positive to this idea if it is appropriate to do within the context of rebuilding itself after airing the Diana interview.

The Panorama of today is not the Panorama of 1995 and BBC News has been restructured many times since then. Broadcasting ethics and working practises have also changed since then because of other scandals. Why should the production team of 2021 suffer for mistakes that were made when they were probably still at school?

The RTE example is a very different issue and the programme was axed the year after, not a quarter of a century after

It should not be forgotten that the journalist in question was re-employed by BBC News in 2016, while Tony Hall was director general. Tony Hall only left the post last year, the the journalist a week or so ago.

VMPhil post_id=13874 time=1621617541 user_id=1043 Wrote:

Brekkie post_id=13858 time=1621614577 user_id=976 Wrote:

AllWillBeWell post_id=13837 time=1621610735 user_id=773 Wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the News department gets dissolved and a new department created. Such is the way things generally occur at large companies. The department is damaged, let get rid of it and make something else new which does the same thing but isn't the thing that was damaged in the public eye. Obviously there will always be BBC News in the public, but the department which runs it may be taken away and replaced. Something significant has to occur. Not to tarnish the whole of BBC News, this was just part of it which carried out these allgeged acts.

They are not going to "dissolve" the news department. If anything this report is about the governance of the BBC, and since these events occurs the system of governance has changed not once but twice.

Exactly - some very OTT posts in this thread.

With respect, I think you are underestimating the comeback there will be from this. The future king, has come out publicly to criticise The BBC and the actions of BBC News journalists. I am not saying BBC News is going to be closed as I stated in my first post. Only that the actual structure and backend department may be changed/closed/reopened etc.

AllWillBeWell post_id=13905 time=1621624258 user_id=773 Wrote:

VMPhil post_id=13874 time=1621617541 user_id=1043 Wrote:

Brekkie post_id=13858 time=1621614577 user_id=976 Wrote:They are not going to "dissolve" the news department. If anything this report is about the governance of the BBC, and since these events occurs the system of governance has changed not once but twice.

Exactly - some very OTT posts in this thread.

With respect, I think you are underestimating the comeback there will be from this. The future king, has come out publicly to criticise The BBC and the actions of BBC News journalists...

Along with the Prime Minister.

Interviewing Stuart Purvis on NewsWatch now.
I've noticed his bookcase behind him is full of sex manuals!

Markymark post_id=13915 time=1621626753 user_id=1078 Wrote:Interviewing Stuart Purvis on NewsWatch now.
I've noticed his bookcase behind him is full of sex manuals!

People should really check their bookcase before going on telly!

I'm not defending Martin Bashir, or the underhand practices employed to secure the interview, but the BBC's existential crises every other year are becoming incredibly wearisome. I particularly dislike the way it's forced to naval-gaze in a way that its opponents lap up.

In particular, the hypocrisy of the British press in going in for the kill with the BBC when their own treatment of Diana when she was alive left a lot to be desired, is something else.

I don't see why this merits being the lead story on Newsnight for a second night. There's barely any new information and Newsnight just seems to be revelling in a BBC crisis.