I don't recall that there was the constant speculation that we now have nor the media management that we now have.
So often I hear that "the Prime Minister is expected to announce today that....." type of line, which I always find odd.
He hasn't announced anything yet - so is that news?
Being first to report something that hasn't happened seems more important than accuracy, raises hopes and then can dash them.
Is that right?
In regards if Neighbours was showed that day the link below is 3 hours and 8 minutes of what I guess was the BBC1 news special that afternoon ( which included input from the Westminster live studio). It comes from the Nine O’Clock news/Daytime summaries studio and is presented by Nicholas Witchell. At the time I think the one o’clock news had its own studio so it is possible that this news special started after the One had finished. At the very end Witchell says coverage will continue in the Six O’Clock news and says ‘ good afternoon from BBC news’.
I am guessing perhaps Neighbours was shown both before and after this news special?
https://youtu.be/w9iu6BfAJ4w
Steve in Pudsey post_id=3225 time=1617695058 user_id=942 Wrote:Do we know whether Neighbours was on BBC 1 or 2 that day? CBBC was on 2 so perhaps neighbours was too?
Or did it go out on 1 to give the news team a break to prepare for the Six?
As I've said above, we did some digging on Back To The Bay a few years ago to try and work out if Home and Away made it to air (inconclusive but the evidence suggests not) but Neighbours DID go out, on BBC One. But rolling news
was between the two showings.
Still different sets in that era I think, at least for the Six and Nine, so studio space and time would be less of an issue. No idea what set open-ended news would have come from.
Newsdog post_id=3291 time=1617710246 user_id=1461 Wrote:In regards if Neighbours was showed that day the link below is 3 hours and 8 minutes of what I guess was the BBC1 news special that afternoon ( which included input from the Westminster live studio). It comes from the Nine O’Clock news/Daytime summaries studio and is presented by Nicholas Witchell. At the time I think the one o’clock news had its own studio so it is possible that this news special started after the One had finished. At the very end Witchell says coverage will continue in the Six O’Clock news and says ‘ good afternoon from BBC news’.
I am guessing perhaps Neighbours was shown both before and after this news special?
https://youtu.be/w9iu6BfAJ4w
Tying up the live Commons coverage with the timestamps on the transcript in Hansard (yes, I do need to get out more) It did indeed come off air at 5.35.
Newsdog post_id=3291 time=1617710246 user_id=1461 Wrote:In regards if Neighbours was showed that day the link below is 3 hours and 8 minutes of what I guess was the BBC1 news special that afternoon ( which included input from the Westminster live studio). It comes from the Nine O’Clock news/Daytime summaries studio and is presented by Nicholas Witchell. At the time I think the one o’clock news had its own studio so it is possible that this news special started after the One had finished. At the very end Witchell says coverage will continue in the Six O’Clock news and says ‘ good afternoon from BBC news’.
I am guessing perhaps Neighbours was shown both before and after this news special?
https://youtu.be/w9iu6BfAJ4w
Gosh, I'd forgotten there was PMQs and the whole "I'm enjoying this!" (2hr 49min in) that afternoon too. And the people waving the Evening Standard front page behind John Major. It was quite a day, and I'm sure it was the first rolling news broadcast I can remember on BBC or ITV. (Obviously Sky had launched a couple of years beforehand.)
The old ways were still in force the following week for the Tory leadership contest - if I remember correctly there was a half-hour ITN special in between two 15-minute halves of the 6pm regional news.
commseng post_id=3245 time=1617701297 user_id=1125 Wrote:Markymark post_id=3230 time=1617695923 user_id=1078 Wrote:Inspector Sands post_id=3227 time=1617695219 user_id=1003 Wrote:Markymark post_id=3224 time=1617694963 user_id=1078 Wrote:Indeed. For many of those, 'where were you when you heard... . . ' questions, my answer is the same, 'pulling out of my parking space after work'
My mum used to commute to work on the train and said she often found out the news from the evening newspaper billboards at the station.
It caught her out once when she saw one that said 'Kennedy Shot' and she assumed it was one from a few years earlier that somehow been forgotten about.... but no it was the other Kennedy!
I remember the Falklands invasion. It was the last day of term at Sixth Form. I'd had a few jars at lunchtime, and staggered through the front door mid afternoon. My mum was stood there, and announced the news.
First thing I did was find the family World Atlas to look up exactly where the Falklands were. (Rumour has it most of Mrs T's cabinet had to do the same 8-) )
It seems impossible now that the radio news was the most immediate way that people found out about anything newsworthy during the day, and the morning and evening papers would be what had happened the previous night or that morning.
The TV just gave the 20 or 30 minutes of the important events of that day in a consise manner.
Then there was CEEFAX or ORACLE which had the newsflash option you could enable.
I know that there are now generations who have only known and expect constant 24 hour TV news, but has it improved life at all?
Even as recently as the late 90's that was the case - I remember hearing about Jill Dando on the way home from school for example. I only found out about 9/11 as it happened because I was off school that day, having been seriously injured abroad the previous month. Otherwise, I wouldn't have known until the end of the day.
Night Thoughts post_id=3344 time=1617724712 user_id=1484 Wrote:Newsdog post_id=3291 time=1617710246 user_id=1461 Wrote:In regards if Neighbours was showed that day the link below is 3 hours and 8 minutes of what I guess was the BBC1 news special that afternoon ( which included input from the Westminster live studio). It comes from the Nine O’Clock news/Daytime summaries studio and is presented by Nicholas Witchell. At the time I think the one o’clock news had its own studio so it is possible that this news special started after the One had finished. At the very end Witchell says coverage will continue in the Six O’Clock news and says ‘ good afternoon from BBC news’.
I am guessing perhaps Neighbours was shown both before and after this news special?
https://youtu.be/w9iu6BfAJ4w
Gosh, I'd forgotten there was PMQs and the whole "I'm enjoying this!" (2hr 49min in) that afternoon too. And the people waving the Evening Standard front page behind John Major. It was quite a day, and I'm sure it was the first rolling news broadcast I can remember on BBC or ITV. (Obviously Sky had launched a couple of years beforehand.)
The old ways were still in force the following week for the Tory leadership contest - if I remember correctly there was a half-hour ITN special in between two 15-minute halves of the 6pm regional news.
Again, I've got memories of my Mum saying we'd find out who the new Prime Minister would be at 6:30pm so that would make sense. How did that play out then? Was it all regions doing Home & Away at 5:10, the scheduled 5:40 news, 15 minutes of regional news, the special, and a final 15 minutes of regional news?
Did Newsround make it to air that afternoon?
According to this post from itsrobert the studio Nick Witchell was in shared a gallery with the one Newsround used at the time
https://tvliveforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=3239#p3239
I wonder if the lack of Newsround was the reason for the behind the scenes at CBBC filter?
James Martin post_id=3413 time=1617741102 user_id=872 Wrote:Night Thoughts post_id=3344 time=1617724712 user_id=1484 Wrote:Newsdog post_id=3291 time=1617710246 user_id=1461 Wrote:In regards if Neighbours was showed that day the link below is 3 hours and 8 minutes of what I guess was the BBC1 news special that afternoon ( which included input from the Westminster live studio). It comes from the Nine O’Clock news/Daytime summaries studio and is presented by Nicholas Witchell. At the time I think the one o’clock news had its own studio so it is possible that this news special started after the One had finished. At the very end Witchell says coverage will continue in the Six O’Clock news and says ‘ good afternoon from BBC news’.
I am guessing perhaps Neighbours was shown both before and after this news special?
https://youtu.be/w9iu6BfAJ4w
Gosh, I'd forgotten there was PMQs and the whole "I'm enjoying this!" (2hr 49min in) that afternoon too. And the people waving the Evening Standard front page behind John Major. It was quite a day, and I'm sure it was the first rolling news broadcast I can remember on BBC or ITV. (Obviously Sky had launched a couple of years beforehand.)
The old ways were still in force the following week for the Tory leadership contest - if I remember correctly there was a half-hour ITN special in between two 15-minute halves of the 6pm regional news.
Again, I've got memories of my Mum saying we'd find out who the new Prime Minister would be at 6:30pm so that would make sense. How did that play out then? Was it all regions doing Home & Away at 5:10, the scheduled 5:40 news, 15 minutes of regional news, the special, and a final 15 minutes of regional news?
Yup, that’s how I remember it. Clearly remember Andrew Gardner on Thames News introducing the ITN special.
Steve in Pudsey post_id=3464 time=1617751276 user_id=942 Wrote:Did Newsround make it to air that afternoon?
According to this post from itsrobert the studio Nick Witchell was in shared a gallery with the one Newsround used at the time
https://tvliveforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=3239#p3239
I wonder if the lack of Newsround was the reason for the behind the scenes at CBBC filter?
No, Newsround definitely went out - it would look a bit rubbish for it not to be there on one of the biggest news days of its audience's lives, and regardless of what gallery they used, they could sort something out. It's more likely that whatever filler BBC2 showed before CBBC with the Westminster coverage over on BBC1 wasn't quite long enough so CBBC had a bit of time to kill.
Newsdog post_id=2851 time=1617561515 user_id=1461 Wrote:Bit of a random one but have recently been reading Peter Sissons autobiography and he talks about the day that Margaret Thatcher resigned ( Thursday 22nd November 1990). He mentions while preparing for the 10pm question time that he was told that Panorama which had been added to the schedule that night was struggling to pull a programme together at short notice and instead the question team produced a live 60 minute special on Thatcher from the question set ( which was at the Barbican) before also producing the normal question time that night.
I mentioned this on the other forum, but as Peter Sissons mentions in his book, 1990/91 was the only series of Question Time that went out live, and it managed to coincide with some huge news stories on a Thursday, both that and the start of the Gulf War within three months. He says that everyone was very excited by it being live but then within a few weeks one episode had to go off air after ten minutes because of a bomb scare and another failed to make it on air completely because of a power cut, and that was the end of doing it live.
When John Major did his surprise resignation in 1995 didn’t Newsround announce it and then suddenly get faded out for the main BBC news teams to take over ?
Newsdog post_id=3627 time=1617815777 user_id=1461 Wrote:When John Major did his surprise resignation in 1995 didn’t Newsround announce it and then suddenly get faded out for the main BBC news teams to take over ?
Yes, I remember I think Chris Rogers very gingerly reading it off a bit of paper as breaking news, and then going into the next report which was faded out. ITV, meanwhile, were showing England in the Rugby World Cup so could only put captions on screen, which the commentator John Taylor mentioned. As Giles Smith mentions in his book of TV sport reviews, Taylor said "The players certainly not aware of that", though Smith ponders what they could have done if they were.
That also happened on a Thursday, funnily enough.
James Martin post_id=3412 time=1617740854 user_id=872 Wrote:commseng post_id=3245 time=1617701297 user_id=1125 Wrote:Markymark post_id=3230 time=1617695923 user_id=1078 Wrote:Inspector Sands post_id=3227 time=1617695219 user_id=1003 Wrote:Markymark post_id=3224 time=1617694963 user_id=1078 Wrote:Indeed. For many of those, 'where were you when you heard... . . ' questions, my answer is the same, 'pulling out of my parking space after work'
My mum used to commute to work on the train and said she often found out the news from the evening newspaper billboards at the station.
It caught her out once when she saw one that said 'Kennedy Shot' and she assumed it was one from a few years earlier that somehow been forgotten about.... but no it was the other Kennedy!
I remember the Falklands invasion. It was the last day of term at Sixth Form. I'd had a few jars at lunchtime, and staggered through the front door mid afternoon. My mum was stood there, and announced the news.
First thing I did was find the family World Atlas to look up exactly where the Falklands were. (Rumour has it most of Mrs T's cabinet had to do the same 8-) )
It seems impossible now that the radio news was the most immediate way that people found out about anything newsworthy during the day, and the morning and evening papers would be what had happened the previous night or that morning.
The TV just gave the 20 or 30 minutes of the important events of that day in a consise manner.
Then there was CEEFAX or ORACLE which had the newsflash option you could enable.
I know that there are now generations who have only known and expect constant 24 hour TV news, but has it improved life at all?
Even as recently as the late 90's that was the case - I remember hearing about Jill Dando on the way home from school for example. I only found out about 9/11 as it happened because I was off school that day, having been seriously injured abroad the previous month. Otherwise, I wouldn't have known until the end of the day.
I was at work. I was reading a BBC News article about the BBC securing the rights to the Type 40 Police Box when used a TARDIS and then nothing would load for me on the BBC Website. I then had a meeting and only discovered later when someone said what had happened and several of us went to the company board room where there was TV showing events unfolding.
EDIT: I think the article was this one -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2352743.stm - although an earlier version, as the date is obviously 2002.
For the Major leadership resignation in 1995 I was listening on 5 Live and was surprised that they were cutting away from the rugby, not realising how important it was going to be. The broadcasters had obviously been tipped off. I still thought it was a strange time to do it and I can’t help thinking that Major would have chosen another time if it’d been cricket instead of rugby.
Markymark post_id=3252 time=1617703614 user_id=1078 Wrote:commseng post_id=3245 time=1617701297 user_id=1125 Wrote:I know that there are now generations who have only known and expect constant 24 hour TV news, but has it improved life at all?
Being from a generation that has lived through the era without 24/7 news, and then the one with, I can't think how my life has been particularly enhanced by the latter (or diminished for that matter)
Indeed. Its important to note the consumption on news channels in the UK is minimal. Its handy for big breaking news to have something to switch to, but if they weren't there I don't think the majority would note or care. If we look at the ratings, the main news consumed in the UK is on BBC One and ITV and those programmes nearly always feature in the top ten.
onetrickypony post_id=3796 time=1617891543 user_id=944 Wrote:Markymark post_id=3252 time=1617703614 user_id=1078 Wrote:commseng post_id=3245 time=1617701297 user_id=1125 Wrote:I know that there are now generations who have only known and expect constant 24 hour TV news, but has it improved life at all?
Being from a generation that has lived through the era without 24/7 news, and then the one with, I can't think how my life has been particularly enhanced by the latter (or diminished for that matter)
Indeed. Its important to note the consumption on news channels in the UK is minimal. Its handy for big breaking news to have something to switch to, but if they weren't there I don't think the majority would note or care. If we look at the ratings, the main news consumed in the UK is on BBC One and ITV and those programmes nearly always feature in the top ten.
I take the point on 'raw' consumption but I also think it's useful here to think about the impacts rolling news has had. Take, for example, PR. Gone are the days when a crafted statement would be aimed at one or two slots in a day, designed for a timed news bulletin or next day papers. I'm not saying this is an entirely bad thing per se, but it does raise important questions in terms of how others react to the idea of rolling news.
I vividly remember, during the last election, receiving 'updates' on when an update to a speech would be made (much to the effect of 'it's coming, honest...')